Re: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Draft Presentation for Cartagena

[Dave Piscitello <dave.piscitello@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jim,

IRD is a dense topic to present to an audience unfamiliar with the numerous
issues this WG has discussed. While I have a keen interest in shifting focus
from Whois to directory, I wonder if this is the best time or opportunity to
(as you say) improve the dialogue?

Directory services opens a much broader set of issues than
internationalizing registration data, including authentication, access
control/authorization, and auditing. If we use this terminology in the IRD
WG's work products, will be be open to criticism that we are overreaching?

I believe there are other Whois sessions in Cartagena and wonder if this
discussion is better situated elsewhere?


On 11/17/10 9:05 PM, "James M Galvin" <jgalvin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> I agree that where it's important to be talking about the WHOIS
> protocol we should say "WHOIS protocol".  For example, when we want to
> say that the WHOIS protocol is insufficient for the future needs of
> directory services, we should say that just as I did here.  Other than
> that, I think the recommendations should use the more generic
> vernacular primarily because if we want to improve discussion about
> this topic in general we have to get people to stop saying WHOIS.  We,
> at least, need to do our part to improve the dialogue.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Julie Hedlund wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Jim.  Just one question: I had thought that we talked about
>> not using
>> Whois to mean directory services in general, but that we could still
>> use
>> "WHOIS protocol" to mean just that.  Is that not the case?  If not,
>> what do
>> we use instead of WHOIS protocol?
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/17/10 6:17 PM, "Jim Galvin" <jgalvin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> One more important thing we need to include is to clearly change the
>>> vernacular.  On slide 3, Introduction, the phrase "in WHOIS services"
>>> is highlighted in red.  I assume that's because during the
>>> presentation you are going to introduce the phrase "directory
>>> service".  Further, you'll explain that WHOIS is used to refer to
>>> both
>>> a protocol and a data model.
>>> 
>>> With that, we need to be absolutely clear throughout the presentation
>>> to use the phrases "directory service" and "registration data",
>>> expressly not using the phrase WHOIS.
>>> 
>>> There is one use of directory services and the rest say WHOIS.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Julie Hedlund wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear IRD-WG members,
>>>> 
>>>> Here is the draft presentation for Cartagena for your review, which
>>>> includes the changes I received from Owen.  Please respond with any
>>>> changes by COB this Thursday, 18 November so that I can prepare a
>>>> revised draft for review prior to the discussion on our call on
>>>> Monday, 22 November at 1600 UTC (0800 PST/1100 EST).  Please feel
>>>> free to enter changes directly into the document and I will
>>>> reconcile them with other comments received into one draft.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much for your assistance.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> <Internationalized Registration Data Interim Report Presentation
>>>> Draft 15 Nov 2010.ppt>
>>> 
>> 
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