Re: [ifwp] Re: membership proposal

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jim and all,

Jim Dixon wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> >   THe question that you might want to ask yourself here Jim is;  Does it matter
> > want type of users or members the organization represents?  The second question
> > you also might want to ask yourself is: Will some organizations have a redundancy
> > in it's membership(s)?  In other words, some folks may belong to multiple
> > organizations.  So can legitimately, each of these organizations represent that same
> > individual?
>
> In the scheme outlined, organizations are represented, not individuals.
> So this is not a problem.

  Ok than, by design you proposal is flawed as it doesn't not provide for equal
representationby individuals.

>
>
> > > The other is e-commerce interests.  I think that it is very important
> > > that the Internet's underlying protocols be somehow modified to take
> > > e-commerce into account.  This isn't simply a question of protocols.
> > > For one thing there are some 15 or so different protocols in use or
> > > in development.
> >
> >   Jim, there are a few more than just 15 protocols in use on the Internettoday.  You
> > might want to self review this statement a bit.
>
> What I meant is that there are some 15 different e-commerce-related
> protocols in use or in development.

  And as i stated above to your first statement.  This is way off.  There are farmore than
15 Jim.

>
>
> > > If you have a flat membership space, then most of those members will
> > > be American end users.  There will be zero international representation
> > > on the board, zero input from trademark holders, and so forth and so
> > > on.
> >
> >   Why and how?  This statement doesn't make much sense to us.
>
> If the board is elected by a single mass membership, then most of the
> voters will be American users.

  Not necessarily.  In fact I doubt this quite a bit in that Americans are verylazy about
voting.

> They will elect American board members.
> Winning candidates will most likely be amiable, photogenic, and have no
> relevant skills or attributes.

  Well this is a very wild assumption on you part.  But of course you are entitled toit.
It is likely the opposite is or would be the case, in that most of those that will
vote will likely not be american and will only be members that take an active
interest which are folks like that on this list Jim.  That tell me anyway that
we will get a good crop of very policy and technically aware board members and
council members.

>
>
> > > When the US federal structure was being designed, it was necessary to
> > > balance the interests of big states against small states.  So the US
> > > has a Senate, which gives more power to smaller states, and the Congress,
> > > which gives power to more populous states.  Does this suck too?
> >
> >   First of all each US state only has two senators. SO your assertion isincorrect
> > here Jim.  It is obvious you do not understand how the US is structured
> > very well.
>
> California has two senators.
>
> Tiny Rhode Island, which may be as big as the San Francisco Bay area and
> might have 5% of California's population, has two senators.

  Right!  And this BALANCES the power in the Senate.  This does not howeverbalance the
power in the congress in that we have a House of Representatives.

>
>
> The designers of the US federal structure recognized that if there was
> going to be a federation, they needed something more than just a flat
> membership.

  No, they wanted a flat membership.  Hence the reason for the two senatorsfrom each
state, so as to have an equitably balanced body.  And there is also
the House of Representatives which has 435 members that is based on districts
in each state according to population and other diversities from the political
and ethnical makeup of those districts.  And this is how the NewCo membership
should be balanced to the degree that it is possible and feasible.  Hence the
absolute need for equal individual membership as well as original membership.
The organizational membership would be similar to the US Senate, and the
individual membership would be similar to the US House of Representatives.

> They were intelligent enough to build a more complex
> structure, and the US system of government has lasted over 200 years.

  Yes it has.  And I believe it will continue to.  As I stated above, this is a goodas
basis as any to formulate the Newco on as any that history has shown us.

>
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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