RE: [alac] Guide to Domain Names

["Siavash Shahshahani" <shahshah@xxxxxxxx>]

As I said before I also believe that an ALAC guide should concentrate on
the basics, explain DNS, different types of domains, and importantly the
rights of the individual domain holder vis-a-vis the registrar, the
registry or the reseller. This should not be a 'how-to' guide, that's the
job of those who sell domains. I have found that the information available
to public about gTLDs vs ccTLDs differs widely in different regions and
misinformation is widespread. I was really surprised to see Sebastian's
tone of urgency about making gTLD info available in Latin America. From
what I know the ccTLDs in Argentina, Brazil and Chile are among the most
successful in the world. If the gTLD business is not as successful in
Latin America, let the gTLDs do a better job of propaganda on their own
behalf; after all competition is their forte. I don't think ALAC should be
used to promote the business of one particular sector.
Siavash

> I tend to agree with Jacqueline, we cannot assume that people know the
> difference between gTLDs and ccTLDs.
> However, many ccTLDs have customer services that provide the answers to
> the
> common questions people have, and the real need is to provide information
> on
> gTLDs, in particular to make sure the difference between registry,
> regiastrars, resellers, etc. is well understood.
> I would go for a comprehensive guide, that for ccTLDs will have a complete
> list of contact information (something like
> http://www.iana.org/root-whois/index.html) or at least a pointer to this
> information, in order to avoid obsolescence of data, while for gTLDs it
> will
> go in more details about the market.
> Cheers,
> Roberto Gaetano
> ALAC
> ICANN Board Liaison
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-alac@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-alac@xxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Jacqueline Morris
>> Sent: 15 November 2006 15:08
>> To: Sebastian Ricciardi
>> Cc: Nick Ashton-Hart; shahshah@xxxxxxxx; Wendy Seltzer;
>> alac@xxxxxxxxx; Miriam Sapiro
>> Subject: Re: [alac] Guide to Domain Names
>>
>> I disagree re ccTLDs - many people don't know that they are
>> an option, or that they are on the same level as gTLDs. I
>> don't think that people know the difference between gTLDs and
>> ccTLDs and sTLDs etc. Any proper guide should explain what
>> these are, and it doesn't have to be specific on the details
>> of each ccTLD, but there can be an appendix that lists
>> contact info for the ccTLDs (website or email) Unless it's
>> called a "Guide to .com, .net, .org, etc"? But wrt the
>> regional aspect, I'd really like the ccTLDs included before
>> any publication.
>> Jacqueline
>>
>> On 11/15/06, Sebastian Ricciardi <sricciardi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Please slow down.
>> >
>> > I understood this guide was intented to be specific for gTLDs. ALAC
>> > participation was the genesis of this idea.
>> > We cannot go backwards and re adapt all the work Miriam has done to
>> > include references about how to register 250 ccTLDs that may have
>> > strong differences in the process. For example, registe a
>> domain name
>> > in .ar is free, while registering a domain name in .jp can be
>> > expensive. Some ccTLDs do not have any kind of Dispute
>> Resolution Policy, while others do, etc.
>> >
>> > I is very important for the user (At least in LAC, don´t know about
>> > other ICANN regions, but I suspect this situation is pretty
>> much the
>> > same) to understand how to deal with gTLDs. They know how to do it
>> > with ccTLDs or in any case, they have local support for asking
>> > questions and ask for help in their own laguage. Situation is very
>> > different with gTLDs, as I saw making a small investigation
>> regarding .ORG domains here.
>> >
>> > If ALAC don´t want to use this work, I would ask for a spanish and
>> > portuguese translation and publish a 3 language guide for gTLDs
>> > sponsored by the LAC RALO as a it first step right after
>> the MOU in Sao Paulo.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Sebastian
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Mensaje original-----
>> > De: owner-alac@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-alac@xxxxxxxxx] En nombre de
>> > Nick Ashton-Hart Enviado el: Miércoles, 15 de Noviembre de
>> 2006 06:15
>> > a.m.
>> > Para: shahshah@xxxxxxxx
>> > CC: Wendy Seltzer; alac@xxxxxxxxx; Miriam Sapiro
>> > Asunto: Re: [alac] Guide to Domain Names
>> >
>> > Thanks for the comment Siavash (and everyone else for theirs).
>> >
>> > As those on the call will remember, we came up with a
>> process which is
>> > meant
>> > to:
>> >
>> > 1) Incorporate all ideas that the ALAC has about the structure and
>> > content of the document;
>> > 2) Allow the writers to take those views into account to
>> come up with
>> > a document which the ALAC can support and believes will be useful.
>> >
>> > What was agreed on the call was as follows:
>> >
>> > 1) Committee members would review the document and provide detailed
>> > comments and edits. The idea here is that the comments should be
>> > sufficiently detailed that if you were the writer, you
>> would be able
>> > to use them to accurately reflect the comments made
>> accurately in the
>> > text, so, please be as specific as you can. I know that a number of
>> > you have fundamental structural issues with the document.
>> If you can
>> > provide examples of documents which have a structure that you think
>> > would be better, either send it, give us a URL, and do tell
>> what about
>> > that document in your view recommends it.
>> >
>> > 2) These comments would come in, insofar as is possible by the
>> > conclusion of the Sao Paulo meeting, but in any case not
>> later than the 31st December.
>> >
>> > 3) A redraft incorporating the comments received would then
>> be prepared.
>> >
>> > I suggested that we could take some time at one of the
>> meetings in Sao
>> > Paulo to review the comments made up to that time, and if
>> people wish
>> > to orally make further comments, I can then take those, plus the
>> > written ones received until the end of the year, and compile them
>> > together and send all of it to Miriam with a copy to ALAC
>> too, to make
>> > sure I didn't miss or misstate anything.
>> >
>> > Perhaps the following specifics could be helpful in
>> addressing some of
>> > the most recently-stated issues:
>> >
>> > 1) decide that a subsequent guide will address ccTLDs, but
>> that this
>> > one will only address gTLDs.
>> >
>> > 2) ensure the name is changed to "A Guide to Generic
>> Top-Level Domain Names"
>> >
>> > 3) add a preamble noting that the guide focuses only on gTLDs and
>> > there are 250 country code tld's and these will be addressed in an
>> > upcoming "A Guide to Country Code Top-Level Domain Names"
>> >
>> > And then also, in SP show the draft guide to members of the ccNSO
>> > Council and invite them to work with the ALAC in creating
>> such a guide focussed on .
>> >
>> > On 15/11/06, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > > Hi Wendy,
>> > > I really think that a fair and general guide to domain
>> system which
>> > > can receive ALAC/ICANN endorsement would be most welcome
>> at least in
>> > > my community. People trust such an endorsement, which
>> makes it more
>> > > imperative that it be unbiased and clarify common
>> misunderstandings.
>> > > Let me give you an example. The IDN table of .ir Registry
>> was sent
>> > > to IANA more than a year ago, but it has not appeared yet on the
>> > > IANA list(for reasons I don't want to speculate about now). This
>> > > makes people question the authoritativeness of our IDN
>> offering, and
>> > > we are constantly asked why we're not getting IANA endorsement.
>> > > So in short, I think the idea of putting out a guide is a
>> very good one.
>> > > I'd be happy to participate in a working group to make it happen.
>> > > Best,
>> > > siavash
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks Siavash,
>> > > >
>> > > > I'll reiterate to Miriam that this document cannot use
>> ALAC's name
>> > > > without revisions that meet the Committee's consensus
>> approval.  I
>> > > > agree that as a matter of fairness in competition,
>> ICANN and ALAC
>> > > > cannot sponsor a guide that describes just some of the
>> domain names.
>> > > > It does a disservice to registrants and users of domain
>> names to
>> > > > imply that some are better than others just because they are
>> > > > easier to describe.
>> > > >
>> > > > Do you think this is a project it's worthwhile for ALAC
>> to pursue,
>> > > > if it can be made more inclusive?  (I don't know whose idea it
>> > > > was, or why it came to have ALAC's name in the first place.)
>> > > >
>> > > > --Wendy
>> > > >
>> > > > At 04:52 PM 11/14/2006 +0330, Siavash Shahshahani wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>I wish to record a basic objection to the 'Guide'
>> appearing as an
>> > > >>ALAC product. In the introduction it is stated that
>> that the guide
>> > > >>is  primarily focused on gTLDs and, in fact, it is not hard to
>> > > >>notice that ccTLDs are totally ignored. For 'A Guide to Domain
>> > > >>Names' presumably directed at the less-informed this is totally
>> > > >>unacceptable. Note that:
>> > > >>1. Roughly one third of existing domains in world are
>> cc domains.
>> > > >>2. There is already a good deal of misinformation at
>> least among
>> > > >>the populace of developing countries thinking that their native
>> > > >>ccTLD is somehow less 'official', less respectable or
>> > > >>intrinsically less secure than a '.com'.
>> > > >>I think that if the registry sponsors listed on page 3
>> want to put
>> > > >>out a guide for gTLDs, let them do it in their own
>> name. I am well
>> > > >>aware of the difficulty of dealing with the varieties of ccTLD
>> > > >>practices, but still a short general guide not dealing
>> with minute
>> > > >>details can be produced that covers both types of domains.
>> > > >>-Siavash
>> > > >>
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