ICANN ICANN Email List Archives


<<< Chronological Index >>>    <<< Thread Index >>>

RE: [bc-gnso] Update on TM Rights Protection Mechanisms Negotiations

  • To: "'Zahid Jamil'" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>, <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Update on TM Rights Protection Mechanisms Negotiations
  • From: "Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:42:29 -0400

Well done, Zahid and Steve.  Great bridge-building!  Nice to see success in
an area where we have traditionally seen personality clashes and
contentiousness.  Finding common ground is the baseline at ICANN and this
demonstration of it is a pleasure to see.


Kind regards,




Ronald N. Andruff

RNA Partners, Inc.

220 Fifth Avenue, 20th floor

New York, New York 10001



V: +1 212 481 2820 x 11

F:  +1 212 481 2859 



From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Zahid Jamil
Sent: 2009-10-28 11:14
To: 'bc - GNSO list'
Subject: [bc-gnso] Update on TM Rights Protection Mechanisms Negotiations


Today the 3 days of off line negotiations and reaching out to the ALAC and
NCSG on the issue of the IRT Report and the RPMs were successful.


3 hours of discussion (with the help of the ALAC- Alan and Cheryl) on Monday
with NCSG reps (Kathryn Kleiman and Konstantinos Komaitis) followed by
discussions through yesterday were successful in providing background and a
context to the BC position on the IRT Report.  


Initially on the Council list the NCSG had indicated and unwillingness of
the IRT being available as a resource.


Summary of points for discussion that were discussed were (subject to them
being taken back to the NCSG):


Welcome the IRT and other resources being available to the GNSO Working
Group working on the Board's letter regarding the RPMs (ie. STI review


At the session on Thursday (today) express the willingness that NCSG had for
reaching out constructively to the GNSO community (language discussed
included reaching common ground).


The GNSO passed a Resolution today with the support of the NCSG stating:

The assistance of members of the IRT in answering questions about the IP
Clearinghouse and Uniform Rapid Suspension System recommendations may be
useful to this work. The GNSO Council requests that members of the IRT who
worked on those recommendations be available to answer any such questions
that may arise;


I believe that possibly a more integral part than the discussion with Kathy
in achieving this was the efforts of members from other Constituency(s) that
may have helped mediate this resolution through.



In today's session on Trademark Protection and new gTLDs (transcript


Kathy responded positively and at the end of her first intervention stated:


'....we in the NCUC want to work with you.  We want to establish common
ground, and we wish the best of luck for all of us in this expedited


She even went as far as saying in regards the IRT URS recommendation for


'.....and I have to say it, and I guess I'm on the record, the IRT kind of
got this one right and let's go back to that.'


This was met with equal good will by CSG members:


J. Scott, now President of the IPC said:


'I worked with Kathy Kleiman, and we drafted the UDRP final version with
Louis Touton and a group of other talented people, many of whom are here
today................We just want to solve a problem.  That's what we're
here to do.  We want to work with registries, registrars, NCUC.  That's what
we're here for.  We're problem solvers.  We want to solve the problem.
Thank you for the opportunity, and we look forward to working together in
the near future.


Zahid Jamil BC Councillor said:


'First of all, I would like to acknowledge and thank Kathy for the NCUC's
constructive invitation to work with goodwill. 

We look forward to the sentiment continuing in the GNSO.  So thank you for


With respect to several aspects of the IRT Solutions it seems that NCSG and
BC may be able to find common ground.


I am sure there must have been much discussion in the NCSG itself about
taking these positions after discussing matters with the BC and other
individuals. So Kudos to Kathy and Kostantino for achieving success for not
letting down our discussions from Monday for which I have thanked them.  


Efforts of Alan and Cheryl to set up some of the atmosphere for the
interaction also helped.


Also in other private discussions this evening with some ALAC reps it seems
that there may be even more common ground possible with the BC positions.


This sentiment seems to have created an atmosphere which may enable some
parties with divergent views reaching consensus on some aspects at least.  I
hope this interaction will also help BC, NCSG and ALAC collaborating on
other issues in the future.


Through private meetings tomorrow leading up to the STI session I hope this
sentiment continues.


Will report back after tomorrows STI meeting.






Zahid Jamil


Jamil & Jamil


219-221 Central Hotel Annexe

Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan

Cell: +923008238230

Tel: +92 21 5680760 / 5685276 / 5655025

Fax: +92 21 5655026

 <http://www.jamilandjamil.com/> www.jamilandjamil.com


Notice / Disclaimer

This message contains confidential information and its contents are being
communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended
recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this
message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may
contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law,
and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client
privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of
any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing
it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or
incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written
permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited.


<<< Chronological Index >>>    <<< Thread Index >>>

Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | Cookies Policy