Re: [gnso-irtpd] Off the cuff draft:

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Holly,

yes, this is my worry as well. Therefore I think requiring a lock would 
be the best way to preserve the status quo until a legal decision can be 
reached. It seems like a better solution than to always transfer back, 
no questions asked...
Volker


Am 13.01.2014 22:53, schrieb Holly Raiche:
> And the point I was making this morning (my time) is that if that 
> domain name is then provided to a new registrant (who would have no 
> way of knowing that it was the subject of a wrongful transfer) puts 
> his/her money down and spends further money promoting that name, then 
> there are two registrants who lose - the original (and proper) owner 
> and the new owner.  What a court may do (and this is basic equitable 
> doctrine stuff - coming out of England into the common law world and 
> probably further) is talk about the 'innocent third party' who put 
> money down in good faith for something - with compensation for the loser.
> I'm not saying what is right or wrong here.  In fact, there are two 
> competing 'right' claims. It's just that the ICANN solution seems to 
> be to give the name back to the original, rightful registrant.  It is 
> not clear whether a court would make the opposite call, or say that 
> ICANN rules should prevail.
> No that is not an answer - it is an issue that does need some thinking 
> through
> Holly
>
>
> On 14/01/2014, at 4:55 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>
> > Very rough first draft for further discussion....
> >
> > /"Upon receiving a notification from the Losing Registrar of a 
> > previous transfer of a domain name of that transfer having occurred 
> > either without the knowledge and permission of an earlier Registered 
> > Name Holder or in violation of the IRTP, the Registrar of Record 
> > shall lock the domain name against modifications or transfers. 
> > Registrar shall remove the lock after 21 calendar days unless he 
> > receives a notification that court proceedings against the party that 
> > initiated the transfer have been initiated, in which case the lock 
> > shall be removed only after the proceedings have concluded.//"/
> > Locking would naturally be interpreted in the context of the Lock-PDP.
> > The notification of initiation of court proceedings would have to 
> > have the same requirements as the notifications of the registrant 
> > that lost a UDRP.
> > The "party that initiated the transfer" would probably have to be 
> > refined, not happy with that term.
> > Naturally, we would also have to amend the ICANN transfer policy to 
> > allow for a denial of a transfer in case of a claim of unauthorized 
> > prior transfer.
> >
> > --
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> >
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