Re: [ifwp] Re: ARIN Games of misleading?

[Kim Hubbard <kimh@arin.net>]

> 
> Roeland and all,
> 
>   @Home is another that has a /8 that should not have gotten that
> allocation as well and are not currently even coming close to utilizing
> even a small part of it (Direct violation of RFC2050 BTW).  But
> many of the large Telco's have enough of their allocations that are
> not being used at all that could be easily returned Roeland.

The reason @home doesn't come close to utilizing a /8 is because they
were never issued a /8.

Kim Hubbard
ARIN
> 
> Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
> 
> > At 04:37 PM 11/21/98 -0800, Michael Dillon wrote:
> > >On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Greg Skinner wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have always wondered what will happen if we reach a critical point
> > >> in IP address allocation where the only available addresses are the
> > >> legacy /8s.  I could see this being very controversial in the future.
> > >> Could a court of law order an organization to release some of its (non
> > >> globally used) address space?
> > >
> > >It won't be controversial at all. The organizations will be asked to
> > >release the addresses. They will be informed that if they refuse, that
> > >fact will be made public.
> >
> > I'd like to hear from Kim Hubbard on this one. Because of the political
> > issues, I think that Kim is backing ARIN away from that one.
> >
> > >In a world in which the only available addresses
> > >are the legacy /8's, the Internet will be inextricably intertwined with
> > >everyday life, both business and pleasure. An organization that would
> > >attempt to hog an unfair share of addresses would be so vilified in the
> > >press that they would go bankrupt. But by that time, everyone would
> > >realize this is the case and when asked for their unneeded legacy space,
> > >the organizations that hold it would not refuse.
> >
> > Considering that MIT is one of those /8 holders, I don't think so ... They
> > have polluted and contaminated that allocation so much that it would be
> > very expensive and cumbersome to release it. They'd have to renumber just
> > about every host they have. They haven't exactly been thrifty with that
> > allocation, it is not intact, they have legacy hosts and assignments all
> > over it. In fact, every /8 holder is in about the same position. The time
> > to make the request, and start the planning, is now. It is NOT like they
> > can simply hand it over, it's being used as we speak. The simple answer is
> > IPv6.
> >
> > >Hopefully, IPv6 will be widely enough deployed by that time that such a
> > >situation does not need to occur.
> >
> > I think everyone hopes that will be the case.
> > ___________________________________________________
> > Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993)
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