Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)

["J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>]

Again, with all due respect to Bill and his passion about this issue, I do not 
think we can reach consensus here and Bill has an avenue (separate comment on 
behalf of PayPal) to raise his concerns.

J. Scott
 
j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx




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 From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> 
Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" 
<bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
 


With respect, and as a member of the BC, I ask that our language be considered 
for inclusion. I have raised these concerns on the ICANN Webinar and on the BC 
call that Susan led. These are not new concerns and I believe should be part of 
our response. 


On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
 wrote:

Bill:
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>I cannot say weather these are real concerns are not.  We have a short 
>timeline here and I do not have the time to track down my folks, educate them 
>on the debate and put together a Yahoo! position.  Given that we cannot come 
>to consensus here, I suggest we delete.  If PayPal feels confident in these 
>statements, I think you all should file a separate public comment.  
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>J. Scott
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>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
>408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx
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> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> 
>Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" 
><bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text 
>associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security 
>professional information and the associated operation of an information and 
>access control system. These are very real concerns. 
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>On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>Sorry for that.  Jetlag.
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>>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
>>408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx
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>>________________________________
>> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>>J. Scott, 
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>>Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Bill
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>>On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
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>>Dear All:
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>>>I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane.  I 
>>>am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a 
>>>political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).
>>>
>>>
>>>As for Bill's suggestion about "entities".  I have attempted to suggest 
>>>language that I think assuage my concerns.  Bill?
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>>>
>>>J. Scott
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>>>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
>>>408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: "<stephvg@xxxxxxxxx>" <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>; "Smith, Bill" 
>>><bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
>>>"bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>>>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>>>I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition 
>>>but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to 
>>>look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and 
>>>difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially 
>>>one that is by its nature sensitive. 
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>>>
>>>(see my comments within J Scott's comments)
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>>>Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated 
>>>and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing 
>>>a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security 
>>>professionals will be no small task.
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>>>On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
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>>>I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the 
>>>possibility of extending this work to the cc space. 
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>>>>The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.
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>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur
>>>>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
>>>>
>>>>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89
>>>>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053
>>>>Skype: SVANGELDER
>>>>www.StephaneVanGelder.com
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>>>>Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>Bill and team:
>>>>>
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>>>>>I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions.  I have 
>>>>>attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>J. Scott
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>>>>>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. 
>>>>>- 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: "stephvg@xxxxxxxxx" <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>>Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" 
>>>>><bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>>>>>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>>>>>+1 
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>>>>>Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to 
>>>>>replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope 
>>>>>that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the 
>>>>>distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much 
>>>>>more than the web.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary 
>>>>>to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no 
>>>>>foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. 
>>>>>Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they 
>>>>>become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the 
>>>>>Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, 
>>>>>customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.
>>>>>
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>>>>>I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to 
>>>>>data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily 
>>>>>dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very 
>>>>>real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties 
>>>>>imposed for crimes they uncover.
>>>>>
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>>>>>I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.
>>>>>
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>>>>>On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted 
>>>>>document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests 
>>>>>as defined by our charter. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's 
>>>>>>work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the 
>>>>>>fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for 
>>>>>>managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for 
>>>>>>Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work 
>>>>>>towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this 
>>>>>>point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and 
>>>>>>ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more 
>>>>>>effective and more uniform registration data database.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems 
>>>>>>spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>>>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur
>>>>>>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89
>>>>>>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053
>>>>>>Skype: SVANGELDER
>>>>>>www.StephaneVanGelder.com
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a 
>>>>>>écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation 
>>>>>>gTLD Directory Services. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help 
>>>>>>>from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug 
>>>>>>>with edits or questions.   
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--Steve DelBiancoVice chair for policy coordination
>>>>>>>Business Constituency 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc>
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>>>>><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc>
>>>><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc>
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