Re: [gnso-consumercci-dt] suggestions gathered in Dakar

[Rosemary Sinclair <rosemary.sinclair@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Steve

Would 15th be ok? I have awful week of travels this week

Tks for transcript....will be good to hear from you, Cheryl and others re 
feedback

Cheers, Rosemary

Rosemary Sinclair
Director, External Relations
Australian School of Business
UNSW
+61 413 734490

On 08/11/2011, at 1:20 PM, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hello, all.   Are we having our regular call this week?
> 
> Here are transcripts and notes from Dakar discussions of our Consumer Trust 
> working group.
> Attached is the transcript from a brief discussion at GNSO Working session on 
> Sat 22-Oct.
> Also attached are the slides we presented in Dakar on Saturday and Wednesday.
> Below are my notes from the working session on Wednesday.
> At bottom is the note I sent to the US GAC representative Suzanne Radell.  
> (no reply received yet)
> 
> The Consumer Trust working group held an open meeting on Wednesday 26-Oct in 
> Dakar.   We went thru the slides in 15 minutes, then opened to discussion for 
> 45 minutes.  Several attendees complimented the WG on our progress.  Some 
> notable suggestions:
> 
> Carlos Aguirre:  Competition and Choice are inter-related.  He's offering 
> this clarification we could add to both definitions:
> Competition is closely related to the idea of consumer choice.  In fact, 
> competition and consumer choice can be seen as two parts of the same whole, 
> since both touch both providers and consumers of service.  All stakeholders 
> have an interest in providing choice and in avoiding monopoly in order to 
> create an open and informed market for all participants.
> 
> Andy Mack, AM Global:   May need to move quickly to fit this work into the 
> process of attracting gTLD applications that will achieve these metrics.  
> That is, if we are going to measure the new gTLD program partly on diversity 
> of scripts and languages, then shouldn't the Applicant Support Program be 
> adjusted to attract more IDN scripts?
> 
> Jeff Brueggeman, ATT:
> "On slide 11, in addition to market shares I would examine prices, both 
> retail and wholesale, for the new and existing TLDs.  Retail for obvious 
> reasons, to see If the prices are high because the new TLD has some market 
> power (see .xxx) or low because it doesn’t (see .net) and to see what happens 
> to .com.  Wholesale prices are interesting to the extent that competition 
> forces even the regulated prices such as .com to fall or not."
> 
> ATT: "you may wish to amend the proposed definition of consumer, which now is 
> internet users and registrants.  The issue is that complaints about defensive 
> registrations do not always result from a registrant, but rather from being a 
> trademark owner.  Perhaps the definition can be tweaked to include them."
> 
> ATT: "under Choice, it may be worth adding in something about innovations, 
> beyond just the number of TLDs.  For instance, regardless of what one thinks 
> about .xxx they are talking about screening registrants  in order to increase 
> credit card acceptance (for some strange reason banks are reluctant to accept 
> most adult websites today)"
> 
> Wendy Seltzer:  we are not being normative in this work.   We are attempting 
> to be descriptive of what could be measured, in terms of competition, choice 
> and trust.
> 
> Dave Cohen: asked if this work will "solve the alternate root problem."   
> DelBianco replied that new TLD metrics could be measured for non-ICANN roots, 
> but any achievements there would not be directly attributable to ICANN's new 
> gLTD program.
> 
> Annelisa Roger: for Choice we should also measure the geographic diversity of 
> REGISTRANTS in these new TLDs.
> 
> Berry Cobb:  suggested we measure whether any new gTLDs are blocked in any 
> countries.
> 
> Olivier Crepin Leblond:  ALAC will discuss a charter and will attempt to keep 
> it similar to GNSO Charter.
> 
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:  let's do a public comment period on our draft Advice --  
> before sending the the AC/Sos
> 
> Steve thanked Rosemary Sinclair, ICANN staff, and other WG members in the 
> room.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Steve DelBianco 
> <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:14:30 +0000
> To: Nathalie Peregrine 
> <nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
> "gnso-consumercci-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-consumercci-dt@xxxxxxxxx>" 
> <gnso-consumercci-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-consumercci-dt@xxxxxxxxx>>
> Subject: [gnso-consumercci-dt] CCI questions raised in Monday's session on 
> Accountability and Transparency forum
> 
> We got the chance to mention our work to GAC and Board members this morning 
> at the Accountability & Transparency Forum 
> <http://dakar42.icann.org/node/26849> here in Dakar.  I brought it up when 
> the panel discussed improvements in GAC – Board interactions on "Advice".
> 
> The transcript's not available yet.  Below is a note I sent to US GAC Rep 
> Suzanne Radell when she asked me to follow-up with her and clarify my 
> questions regarding the GAC.
> 
> Rosemary — did Stefane send your draft letter to invite GAC participation?
> 
> --Steve
> 
> From: Steve DelBianco 
> <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:59:12 -0400
> To: Suzanne Radell <SRadell@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:SRadell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Subject: my confusing question at Monday's ATRT session
> 
> Suzanne -- I used an example to assess whether the ATRT improvements are 
> actually improving communication with the GAC about advice sought.
> 
> The example I used was Bruce Tonkin's resolution from Cartagena:
> 
> Whereas, ICANN has committed to promoting competition, consumer trust and 
> consumer choice in the Affirmation of Commitments
> 
> Whereas, if and when new gTLDs (whether in ASCII or other language character 
> sets) have been in operation for one year, ICANN has committed to organize a 
> review that will examine the extent to which the introduction or expansion of 
> gTLDs has promoted competition, consumer trust and consumer choice.
> 
> Resolved (2010.12.10.30), the ICANN Board requests advice from the ALAC, GAC, 
> GNSO and ccNSO on establishing the definition, measures, and three year 
> targets for those measures, for competition, consumer trust and consumer 
> choice in the context of the domain name system, such advice to be provided 
> for discussion at the ICANN International Public meeting in San Francisco 
> from 13-18 March 2011. Resolved, the ICANN Board requests advice from the 
> ALAC, GAC, GNSO and ccNSO on establishing the definition, measures, and three 
> year targets for those measures, for competition, consumer trust and consumer 
> choice in the context of the domain name system.
> 
> 
> I'm in the cross-community 
> WG<https://community.icann.org/display/CMG/3.++WG+Charter> developing 
> definitions and metrics for GNSO, ccNSO and ALAC.   We've made real progress, 
> as seen in the attached powerpoint and these draft definitions (red text 
> should be of particular interest to GAC):
> 
> Consumer Trust refers to the confidence registrants and users can have in the 
> consistency of name resolution (from
> registrar to registry), and the degree of confidence among registrants and 
> users that a TLD registry operator is fulfilling its proposed purpose and is 
> complying with ICANN policies and applicable national laws.
> 
> Competition is evident in the quantity and diversity of gTLDs,TLD registry 
> operators, and registrars.
> 
> Consumer Choice is evident in the range of options available to registrants 
> and users for domain scripts and languages, and for TLDs that offer choices 
> as to the proposed purpose and integrity of their domain name registrants.
> 
> 
> 1. My first question today was to ask Bruce if the Board ever formally 
> requested the GAC to provide this advice.  Or, did he assume the GAC was 
> reading and parsing every Board resolution for these kinds of things?
> 
> Bruce didn't know, but he suspects the board did not make a formal request.
> 
> 2. My second question was asking Manal if the GAC was developing advice for 
> this topic.
> 
> Naturally, we'd love to have GAC participate in the joint working group, but 
> we understand that's unlikely.    But we do want to be sure the GAC sees our 
> work and invite your comments.  We're presenting our work on 
> Wednesday<http://dakar42.icann.org/node/26965> at 1pm if you can drop by.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> --
> Steve DelBianco
> Executive Director
> NetChoice
> http://www.NetChoice.org<http://www.NetChoice.org/> and 
> http://blog.netchoice.org<http://blog.netchoice.org/>
> +1.202.420.7482
> 
> <Dakar 10-22-2011 Transcript- Consumer Metrics.pdf>
> <cci presentation Dakar oct 2011v2.ppt>