Re: [gnso-consumercci-dt] suggestions gathered in Dakar
- To: Rosemary Sinclair <rosemary.sinclair@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [gnso-consumercci-dt] suggestions gathered in Dakar
- From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:00:33 +0100
actually, the original schedule showed a call last Tuesday UTC (1st
Nov), which I gather was cancelled since it was too close after the
meeting, and the next call being scheduled for the 15th Nov. Works for me.
On 08/11/2011 04:33, Rosemary Sinclair wrote :
> Hi Steve
> Would 15th be ok? I have awful week of travels this week
> Tks for transcript....will be good to hear from you, Cheryl and others re
> Cheers, Rosemary
> Rosemary Sinclair
> Director, External Relations
> Australian School of Business
> +61 413 734490
> On 08/11/2011, at 1:20 PM, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hello, all. Are we having our regular call this week?
>> Here are transcripts and notes from Dakar discussions of our Consumer Trust
>> working group.
>> Attached is the transcript from a brief discussion at GNSO Working session
>> on Sat 22-Oct.
>> Also attached are the slides we presented in Dakar on Saturday and Wednesday.
>> Below are my notes from the working session on Wednesday.
>> At bottom is the note I sent to the US GAC representative Suzanne Radell.
>> (no reply received yet)
>> The Consumer Trust working group held an open meeting on Wednesday 26-Oct in
>> Dakar. We went thru the slides in 15 minutes, then opened to discussion
>> for 45 minutes. Several attendees complimented the WG on our progress.
>> Some notable suggestions:
>> Carlos Aguirre: Competition and Choice are inter-related. He's offering
>> this clarification we could add to both definitions:
>> Competition is closely related to the idea of consumer choice. In fact,
>> competition and consumer choice can be seen as two parts of the same whole,
>> since both touch both providers and consumers of service. All stakeholders
>> have an interest in providing choice and in avoiding monopoly in order to
>> create an open and informed market for all participants.
>> Andy Mack, AM Global: May need to move quickly to fit this work into the
>> process of attracting gTLD applications that will achieve these metrics.
>> That is, if we are going to measure the new gTLD program partly on diversity
>> of scripts and languages, then shouldn't the Applicant Support Program be
>> adjusted to attract more IDN scripts?
>> Jeff Brueggeman, ATT:
>> "On slide 11, in addition to market shares I would examine prices, both
>> retail and wholesale, for the new and existing TLDs. Retail for obvious
>> reasons, to see If the prices are high because the new TLD has some market
>> power (see .xxx) or low because it doesn’t (see .net) and to see what
>> happens to .com. Wholesale prices are interesting to the extent that
>> competition forces even the regulated prices such as .com to fall or not."
>> ATT: "you may wish to amend the proposed definition of consumer, which now
>> is internet users and registrants. The issue is that complaints about
>> defensive registrations do not always result from a registrant, but rather
>> from being a trademark owner. Perhaps the definition can be tweaked to
>> include them."
>> ATT: "under Choice, it may be worth adding in something about innovations,
>> beyond just the number of TLDs. For instance, regardless of what one thinks
>> about .xxx they are talking about screening registrants in order to
>> increase credit card acceptance (for some strange reason banks are reluctant
>> to accept most adult websites today)"
>> Wendy Seltzer: we are not being normative in this work. We are attempting
>> to be descriptive of what could be measured, in terms of competition, choice
>> and trust.
>> Dave Cohen: asked if this work will "solve the alternate root problem."
>> DelBianco replied that new TLD metrics could be measured for non-ICANN
>> roots, but any achievements there would not be directly attributable to
>> ICANN's new gLTD program.
>> Annelisa Roger: for Choice we should also measure the geographic diversity
>> of REGISTRANTS in these new TLDs.
>> Berry Cobb: suggested we measure whether any new gTLDs are blocked in any
>> Olivier Crepin Leblond: ALAC will discuss a charter and will attempt to
>> keep it similar to GNSO Charter.
>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr: let's do a public comment period on our draft Advice --
>> before sending the the AC/Sos
>> Steve thanked Rosemary Sinclair, ICANN staff, and other WG members in the
>> From: Steve DelBianco
>> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:14:30 +0000
>> To: Nathalie Peregrine
>> Subject: [gnso-consumercci-dt] CCI questions raised in Monday's session on
>> Accountability and Transparency forum
>> We got the chance to mention our work to GAC and Board members this morning
>> at the Accountability & Transparency Forum
>> <http://dakar42.icann.org/node/26849> here in Dakar. I brought it up when
>> the panel discussed improvements in GAC – Board interactions on "Advice".
>> The transcript's not available yet. Below is a note I sent to US GAC Rep
>> Suzanne Radell when she asked me to follow-up with her and clarify my
>> questions regarding the GAC.
>> Rosemary — did Stefane send your draft letter to invite GAC participation?
>> From: Steve DelBianco
>> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:59:12 -0400
>> To: Suzanne Radell <SRadell@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:SRadell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> Subject: my confusing question at Monday's ATRT session
>> Suzanne -- I used an example to assess whether the ATRT improvements are
>> actually improving communication with the GAC about advice sought.
>> The example I used was Bruce Tonkin's resolution from Cartagena:
>> Whereas, ICANN has committed to promoting competition, consumer trust and
>> consumer choice in the Affirmation of Commitments
>> Whereas, if and when new gTLDs (whether in ASCII or other language character
>> sets) have been in operation for one year, ICANN has committed to organize a
>> review that will examine the extent to which the introduction or expansion
>> of gTLDs has promoted competition, consumer trust and consumer choice.
>> Resolved (2010.12.10.30), the ICANN Board requests advice from the ALAC,
>> GAC, GNSO and ccNSO on establishing the definition, measures, and three year
>> targets for those measures, for competition, consumer trust and consumer
>> choice in the context of the domain name system, such advice to be provided
>> for discussion at the ICANN International Public meeting in San Francisco
>> from 13-18 March 2011. Resolved, the ICANN Board requests advice from the
>> ALAC, GAC, GNSO and ccNSO on establishing the definition, measures, and
>> three year targets for those measures, for competition, consumer trust and
>> consumer choice in the context of the domain name system.
>> I'm in the cross-community
>> WG<https://community.icann.org/display/CMG/3.++WG+Charter> developing
>> definitions and metrics for GNSO, ccNSO and ALAC. We've made real
>> progress, as seen in the attached powerpoint and these draft definitions
>> (red text should be of particular interest to GAC):
>> Consumer Trust refers to the confidence registrants and users can have in
>> the consistency of name resolution (from
>> registrar to registry), and the degree of confidence among registrants and
>> users that a TLD registry operator is fulfilling its proposed purpose and is
>> complying with ICANN policies and applicable national laws.
>> Competition is evident in the quantity and diversity of gTLDs,TLD registry
>> operators, and registrars.
>> Consumer Choice is evident in the range of options available to registrants
>> and users for domain scripts and languages, and for TLDs that offer choices
>> as to the proposed purpose and integrity of their domain name registrants.
>> 1. My first question today was to ask Bruce if the Board ever formally
>> requested the GAC to provide this advice. Or, did he assume the GAC was
>> reading and parsing every Board resolution for these kinds of things?
>> Bruce didn't know, but he suspects the board did not make a formal request.
>> 2. My second question was asking Manal if the GAC was developing advice for
>> this topic.
>> Naturally, we'd love to have GAC participate in the joint working group, but
>> we understand that's unlikely. But we do want to be sure the GAC sees our
>> work and invite your comments. We're presenting our work on
>> Wednesday<http://dakar42.icann.org/node/26965> at 1pm if you can drop by.
>> Hope that helps.
>> Steve DelBianco
>> Executive Director
>> http://www.NetChoice.org<http://www.NetChoice.org/> and
>> <Dakar 10-22-2011 Transcript- Consumer Metrics.pdf>
>> <cci presentation Dakar oct 2011v2.ppt>
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD