RE: [gnso-dow123] Purpose of Whois : Types of problems

["Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

We are indeed in agreement that ICANN is not responsible for world peace.
:-) 

 

I have thought we could leave the UN in charge of that, and then I noticed
that while not doing a great job on world peace, world hunger, and various
other really important issues, some governments seem to want them to take on
management and oversight of the Internet. 

 

WHEW. 

 

I'd like to leave them in charge of world peace, bringing clean water to
desert areas of the world, helping tsunami victims, and oh, yeah, world
hunger. ....

 

I don't want them in charge of Internet, or any technology issues.... 

 

Might be a personal bias of mine, but then, I think it is an "informed
view". 

 

They have a lot of work to do on the issues that only they can address...
So, I do think that our work at ICANN is the "place" to do this work. Thus,
I welcome your email. 

 

Having said that, the BC has a view about the scope of the work of the TF. 

 

We are happy to discuss the terms stability and security... and the scope
and scale of that discussion deserves full attention, and even the
participation/by invitation - of our TF chair to the chair of the SSAC in an
"informal" discussion. 

 

As to purpose, we understand that there are differences of view. And it is
important to close the gaps on those views to the extent possible -- because
in the long run, registrants/users [and the BC represents a number of users]
need certainty and clarity. ...Not committing to agree with you on your
views, but only on a dialogue to create better understanding-even if it is a
better understanding of differences.. It is a better understanding.  :-) 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Milton Mueller [mailto:Mueller@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:03 PM
To: gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-dow123] Purpose of Whois : Types of problems

 

Marilyn, the BC statement is a model of procedural rectitude. Very well

organized and does everything the PDP asks us to do. No need to

apologize for being late when you do that thorough a job.

 

In the spirit of carrying on online discussions, let me address a few

points about the BC's position. 

 

1. Your statements says that ICANN is "require[d]" or "mandated" to do

certain things by the R.A.A. But my understanding is that these task

forces can and will alter the R.A.A. in accord with any policies we can

reach consensus on. So a policy discussion that seeks justification by

invoking the current R.A.A. seems circular to me. If I misunderstand

this, someone please correct me. 

 

2. The statement says, "ICANN's responsibility for stability and

security are highly relevant to an accurate Whois." 

 

a. Surely we all agree that the Whois data should be "accurate" to

fulfill its purpose. But the real issue is what (accurate) data is

needed to fulfill its purpose and what that purpose is. I don't see

answers to those questions here. 

 

b. As you know, I believe that mischief can be done by taking the term

"stability and security" out of context. ICANN is not responsible for

the stability and security of anything and everything. E.g., the

government of Iraq is, I think, out of scope. We need to specify what

ICANN is responsible for the stability and security _of_, and how the

data collected and displayed is required to fulfill that purpose.

 

 

>>> "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx> 08/23/05 1:11 PM >>>

Dear Jordyn and fellow TF members,

 

 

 

Attached is the BC final statement on WHOIS purpose and contacts. Sorry

to

be late in providing it to you.

 

 

 

Best regards, Marilyn Cade, David Fares and Sarah Deutsch

 

 

 

  _____  

 

From: Marilyn Cade [mailto:marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx] 

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:10 PM

To: 'jordyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'; 'gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'

Subject: RE: [gnso-dow123] Purpose of Whois : Types of problems

 

 

 

Dear Jordyn, the BC position will be posted to the TF on Monday, having

now

achieved its formal acceptance by the Constituency. As a preview, the

BC

support a perspective that the purpose of WHOIS is to address a number

of

problems, including those that threaten the security and stability of

the

Internet, but notes that is broader than "for technical purposes". We

will

be posting later in the day. 

 

 

 

Best regards, Marilyn

 

 

 

  _____  

 

From: owner-gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxx]

On

Behalf Of KathrynKL@xxxxxxx 

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:52 AM

To: jordyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Subject: Re: [gnso-dow123] Purpose of Whois : Types of problems

 

 

 

Jordyn:

Thanks for issuing follow-up questions.  As the statements show, NCUC

and

the Registry Constituency support listing a technical purpose for the

WHOIS

data.  We also support the comments of the Article 29 Working Group of

EU

Data Protection Commissioners which encouraged ICANN to allow WHOIS to

serve

the technical functions while not compromising the privacy rights of

individuals.

 

I would like to ask that comments on purpose also include why that

purpose

fits within ICANN's mission and core values.   If we do, I think we

will

move this discussion much more quickly forward to closure.

 

Regards, Kathy

 

Jordyn wrote:

 

<<1) Some constituency statements indicate that the purpose of the  

Whois system is to provide contact information to assist in the  

resolution of specific types of problems.  For example, the NCUC  

statement suggests that the purpose is limited to resolving  

"technical problems".  On the other hand, the IPC statement does not  

limit the purpose to resolving a specific type of problem.

 

Should the purpose of Whois be defined in resolving specific types of 

 

problems?