Re: Process forward [RE: [gnso-idng] restarting discussions on IDN gTLD]
Eric, Seems I really must try and make my emails clearer ;) I am not in favor of a system which would allow some applicants to go before others and hence gain a first-to-market advantage. Hope that is clearer. Stéphane Le 22 nov. 2009 à 15:15, Eric Brunner-Williams a écrit : > > Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: >> Edmon, >> Your track A/track B idea is interesting. >> I maintain that track A as you suggest it requires that the general idea of >> tracks be accepted under the new gTLD program. I cannot see where the only >> track is an IDN track and other categories have to wait until the DAG is >> finalised. > > > Are you arguing for "more tracks" or against "language as a track"? > > >> Track B. This is a different topic, but it does tie into new gTLDs in >> general of course as even if they were based on existing gTLDs, the IDN TLDs >> referenced would constitute a new TLD. That being so, it will be difficult >> IMO to make a case for the early release of IDN versions of existing gTLDs, >> as that would be giving entities who already have the advantage of being on >> the market a first-to-market advantage for new gTLDs. > > > Are you arguing for "more TLDs" or for "no more TLDs until an unknown set of > conditions are satisfied"? > > > Eric > >> Stéphane >> Le 21 nov. 2009 à 22:49, Edmon Chung a écrit : >>> >>> First of all, I sort of agree with Bertrand (GAC) when he said, perhaps it >>> is not so much about "fast" track, but just "track differentiation". The >>> point is, what would be useful may be to have a focused discussion on IDN >>> gTLDs in parallel with other discussions with new gTLDs in general, i.e. to >>> discuss them in separate tracks such that each track would not hold back the >>> other. >>> >>> Based on that, and the question of getting "beyond the criticisms that are >>> being used to stall gTLDs in general", I therefore sort of proposed a dual >>> track approach for IDN gTLDs earlier in the thread: >>> 1. IDNG Track A: IDN gTLDs operated as completely new gTLDs >>> - The new IDN gTLD will accept registrations completely separate from any >>> existing gTLD >>> - This track would need to address the overarching issues >>> - Focused discussion on IDN may (or may not) make resolving the issues more >>> effective >>> - Result of the discussion may (or may not) merge the process back with the >>> full new gTLD process (or "track") >>> >>> 2. IDNG Track B: IDN gTLDs operated in accordance with existing gTLDs >>> - Only for existing gTLDs, but can be objected to by prospective IDN gTLD >>> applicant >>> - Existing gTLD registry must serve the same zonefile under the IDN gTLD >>> (even though the IDN TLD itself would be a separate NS delegation at the >>> root) OR offer registration only to the same registrant OR implement other >>> registration policies to achieve the same >>> - Where objection is received and not resolved, then the application should >>> move to Track A above (that is the part where I proposed the "confusingly >>> similar" test) >>> >>> >>> Both IDN Track A and Track B can proceed together and in fact can continue >>> to exist. Track B can essentially be an ongoing process, even for future >>> new gTLDs. >>> >>> On the topic of limitation on number of script/language, first of all, the >>> IDN ccTLD Fast Track did not set a numerical limit, but rather, it is based >>> on the number of official languages ("official language" in its general >>> sense) in the cc locality. For gTLDs, the issue would be tricky if a >>> numerical limit is set and could raise technical, fairness as well as >>> political issues. Take ".Asia" for example, it would not be appropriate to >>> pick Chinese over Japanese or Korean, or Hindi or Arabic for that matter. >>> In the case of Chinese and Japanese (Kanji) (and Korean Hanja if included), >>> the issue further complicates because of the overlap in script/character >>> usage, which could become a fairness issue, as whichever is launched first >>> could take away names available for the latter. This is also a reason I >>> think perhaps we should distinguish this discussion from "fast" track, but >>> rather look at this IDN Track B as an ongoing track for even future new >>> gTLDs. >>> >>> Initially, perhaps limiting to non-latin scripts could work. Limitation to >>> 1 per language per script may be ok too, which I believe is similar to the >>> approach taken by the IDN ccTLD Fast Track. >>> >>> The EOI seems quite separate to this discussion I think. >>> >>> Edmon >>> >>> >>> PS. It seems we are gaining some momentum with this discussion. Perhaps we >>> should schedule a few conference calls to further hash out possible ways >>> forward. Will start a separate thread on this. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx] On >>>> Behalf Of Eric Brunner-Williams >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 12:23 AM >>>> To: Avri Doria >>>> Cc: gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: Process forward [RE: [gnso-idng] restarting discussions on >>> IDN >>>> gTLD] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ... what gets the gTLD fast track beyond the >>>>> criticisms that are being used to stall gTLDs in general. >>>> >>>> >>>> Good question. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Other questions (perhaps subquestions of the question above): >>>> >>>> - would it be for non-Latin scripts only? >>>> >>>>> - would it be for IDN gTLDs only >>>>> - would it be only for existing gTLD registries >>>> >>>> - would each existing gTLD registry would be allowed to apply for one >>>> "similar" name >>>> - what changes to the existing registry contracts are necessary >>>> >>>> That, and the item I added above, would make it most similar to the >>>> ccTLD IDN FastTrack. >>>> >>>> I make that one museum in a non-Latin script, one cat in a non-Latin >>>> script, one aero in a non-Latin script, one ... , and one com in a >>>> non-Latin script. >>>> >>>> For those counting, that's ~40 change requests to the IANA root >>>> arising out of the ccTLD IDN FT process, and ~20 arising from a gTLD >>>> IDN FT process, if "this" can be called a "gTLD IDN FT", or about >>>> 2/3rds of the budget Thomas Narten suggested was annually available. >>>> >>>>> - would applicants have to accept the most stringent of the restrictions >>>>> being proposed by for new gTLDs (full IRT, no Geo related name of any >>>>> sort, no word that anyone on earth considers controversial, nothing that >>>>> has the same meaning or etymology as any exsiting TLD ...) >>>> >>>> Do we care? Those that get hung up by objections simply survive the >>>> objection process or fail. Those to which no objections are offered >>>> progress. If a "gTLD IDN FT" is like (see above) the ccTLD IDN FT in >>>> the script, number, and equivalence restrictions, most of these >>>> restrictions have already been addressed. >>>> >>>> >>>>> How would this fasttrack combine with the EoI proposed process? >>>> >>>> I'm aware of a Board initiated EOI request for comments, but not a >>>> proposed process. >>>> >>>> I'm aware "there is a group of participants that engage in ICANN's >>>> processes to a greater extent than Internet users generally", who have >>>> agreed to attempt to restrict competition through presenting a >>>> resolution to the Board proposing a "EoI process". >>>> >>>> >>>> I suggest that we ignore the latter, for several reasons, and identify >>>> a gTLD IDN FT profile as a response to the former, as well as a more >>>> general gTLD IDN, and the even more general TLD IDN profile, to inform >>>> the Board. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not against this, but I am not sure I see how it would help. >>>> >>>> >>>> I've a long note which I'll submit as a critical comment on the >>>> Board's EOI question to the community. In a nutshell, I don't think >>>> the EOI motion helped clarify issues. I'm even more skeptical about >>>> the purpose of a private party "proposed EOI process". >>>> >>>> >>>> I think the next question isn't so much what about the EOI, its what >>>> about the restrictions imposed on the ccTLD IDN FT. >>>> - non-Latin >>>> - one each (or two for CDNC territories) >>>> - limited "creep" from the iso3166 alpha-two value into alpha-three >>>> or other standardized names (for which we have no equivalent >>>> convenient standards to point to) >>>> - what changes to the existing registry contracts are necessary >>>> >>>> In addition, there is the problem of expanding the number of entities >>>> holding a distinct IDN delegation in their own right, under a new >>>> contract. >>>> >>>> Are non-Latin scripts to be prioritized? That has been the basis for >>>> the ccTLD IDN FT, and for what I suggest above for a gTLD IDN FT. >>>> >>>> Are unserved populations to be prioritized? That is the foundation >>>> that the non-Latin requirement is based upon. >>>> >>>> I think we can help by suggesting not simply numbers to some EOI >>>> effort, but specific groups of applications with specific answers to >>>> "the criticisms that are being used to stall gTLDs in general". >>>> >>>> >>>> Eric >>> > > > Attachment:
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