Re: [gnso-igo-ingo] IGO/GNSO Working Group Meeting Times

[Thomas Rickert <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Avri,
well stated.

As I said, the best we can do is look at it and potentially come up with a 
rotation. 

In addition to that, it is also a question of personal preference. As far as I 
am concerned, I like calls taking place later or late during the day and I feel 
privileged to have such starting times as they allow me to focus on my other 
work, do calls etc during local business hours.

Thomas

Am 06.12.2012 um 13:33 schrieb Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> What is our global population spread?  How many times zones does the group 
> touch on?  Not counting those of us who hop from time zone to time zone with 
> fair regularity.
> 
> I was in Dubai* last night for the meeting, it was late, 10 PM - Midnight, 
> but at least it came after the day's work.  I lived in S.Korea for a while 
> where most of the ICANN meetings started between 1 and 3 am.  It was doable, 
> especially once I learned to go back to sleep.
> 
> I have found in other groups that sometimes alternating between 2 times 
> works.  Though in those cases, there are the hard core who attend all the 
> meetings no matter what the time and then some who attended in one time slot 
> or the other.  After a while we just migrated to a time that seemed a 
> compromise.  'Unfortunately' the Eastern US and the Europeans are the best 
> placed to avoid meeting that are either too early or too late.  Meaning 
> though that they sometime hit during the dinner hour , which seems very 
> critical to those with young children.
> 
> In another group we have spoke of rotating times, but the objection there was 
> that the majority of people live in one concentration, and why risk losing 
> the majority of a meeting just to be politically correct.  Not a view I agree 
> with, but one that makes a kind of sense.  On the hand if majority rules, 
> then some people are always meeting in the middle of the night, and that 
> tends to discourage people in those regions from getting involved - perhaps 
> it is not a matter of correctness but global outreach.  
> 
> Anyway I only say all this because it unwinds this way in almost every large 
> group.  I suggest the chair and staff find the best compromise time(s) - one 
> where people are not otherwise in meetings and stick to it.  And that the 
> rest of us learn to live with it.
> 
> avri
> 
> * unfortunately the telecommunications from here don't work well for 
> conference calls for some reason and I can't seem to talk.  Forcing me to 
> participate purely by type-chatting.
> 
> 
> On 6 Dec 2012, at 15:41, Thomas Rickert wrote:
> 
>> Dear David,
>> thanks for your e-mail. Due to the global nature of our work and the places 
>> where participants are located, we will not be able to find a time that is 
>> pleasant for all participants. 
>> 
>> I guess the best we can do is to work on a rotation of starting times. We 
>> will look into that.
>> 
>> Kind regards from 
>> Thomas (who is in the same time zone as you are :-))
>> 
>> 
>> Am 06.12.2012 um 12:33 schrieb "Roache-Turner, David" 
>> <david.roacheturner@xxxxxxxx>:
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> Current WG Meeting Time
>>> Currently we are meeting on Wednesdays at an hour that is quite late and 
>>> potentially quite difficult for some participants, as some of us also 
>>> touched on in the meeting before last.  If it would be the case that 19:00 
>>> UTC on Wednesday is the only time available for a majority of us on that 
>>> day, I would like to propose that the WG consider moving our regular 
>>> meeting to a different day, which would accommodate an earlier meeting 
>>> time.  
>>> 
>>> Difficulties Due to Lateness for Those in Certain Time Zones
>>> For those of us on CET (or approximate time zones), our current Wednesday 
>>> time (19:00 – 21:00 UTC) means a regular weekly two hour (pro bono) working 
>>> commitment, falling between and 8pm and 10pm at night.  While it is always 
>>> a challenge to find the best balance in time for a group as geographically 
>>> diverse as this one is, especially for those of us with families or other 
>>> understandable evening commitments who are engaged in contributing our 
>>> expertise to a group whose collective efforts may need to extend over a 
>>> significant period of time, I think we need to try and find a day which 
>>> would more reasonably accommodate an earlier time for those of us engaged 
>>> in this process from in and around the European time-zones.
>>> 
>>> Proposal to Consider Shifting Meeting Day
>>> If others agree, might I propose that we review the 2013 schedule, and 
>>> suggest that the ICANN staff colleagues consider creating another Doodle 
>>> poll to not only look at another time, but another day, that may 
>>> accommodate such earlier schedule.  I understand that Mondays (or possibly 
>>> Tuesdays) could perhaps offer up better options not only for members of 
>>> this WG, but from a GNSO perspective, the schedule may also be less 
>>> competitive with other WG activities.
>>> 
>>> Apologies In Advance for next Week’s meeting
>>> For my own part, I also extend my apologies in advance for not being able 
>>> to attend our next week’s meeting, at 19:00 UTC (8pm BET) on Wednesday on 
>>> Dec 12, due to a prior and regrettably unavoidable commitment that evening. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> With best wishes,
>>> 
>>> David Roache-Turner    
>>> 
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