Re: [gnso-igo-ingo] IOC Objections to SG input form

[Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>]

Hi,

Confused.

You suggest we use 'the tool'  Which tool.  The spreadsheet?
Ok, I suppose that is possible.

Will this be available at the time that the C & SGs are doing their initial 
comments.  My concern was to make sure that the stakeholders were able to 
obtain all of the information some members indicated was necessary for them to 
make educated and informed evaluations.  I want to make sure that the answers 
we get from the stakeholders are not deprecated because they did not have 
access to some 'necessary' information.


avri


On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:15, Thomas Rickert wrote:

> Avri,
> as you will have seen from the spreadsheet and my covering note the idea is 
> to have all arguments in one place including links to the relevant documents 
> to make it easier for all participants to work on this complex issue. 
> 
> While I like the idea of a wiki, I suggest we use the tool for the time 
> being. Let us consider your proposal again prior to opening a public comment 
> period. 
> 
> Thomas
> 
> Am 08.12.2012 um 18:16 schrieb Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>:
> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> One other thing, a lot of us have been following this whole saga for quite a 
>> while, reading the docs and discussing it extensively in the Constituencies 
>> and Stakeholder groups..  Some of our constituencies and stakeholder groups 
>> have been shaped by this 'conversation' over the last few years and the 
>> members have informed positions  We are not uneducated in the arguments 
>> being put forward.
>> 
>> I suggest that you ask staff to help you make a wiki page that contains 
>> every document and every argument you think people should look at.  I expect 
>> the community will look at it, will discuss it it, and will make up their 
>> own minds.
>> 
>> With all due respect, please do not assume our answers will have no 
>> "substantive value."
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 20:41, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> Without expressing an opinion on the merits of your points one way or 
>>> another, I am concerned about delaying the request for input from 
>>> SOs/ACs/SGs & constituencies.  We know that it will take the respective 
>>> groups several weeks to respond to the request so the responses will likely 
>>> not be received until January.  We also know that we need to respond to the 
>>> Board by the end of January so we already have a serious time problem.  
>>> Moreover, we do not know when the GC Office will respond to request 
>>> regarding the applicability of treaties and national laws; the GC Office 
>>> clearly did not respond this past week as expected and as far as we know it 
>>> might take several weeks more.  Even one week delay will have undesirable 
>>> consequences.
>>> 
>>> It is my personal recommendation that proceed promptly to send out the 
>>> request for input unless we can be assured that the GC response to our 
>>> questions is forthcoming in the next few days.  The SOs/ACs/SGs/Cs are free 
>>> to communicate the same concerns that you express in their input and we can 
>>> provide them additional information later if we receive it from the GC 
>>> Office or elsewhere.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx] 
>>> On Behalf Of Jim Bikoff
>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:07 PM
>>> To: gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Cc: David Heasley; Kiran Malancharuvil
>>> Subject: [gnso-igo-ingo] IOC Objections to SG input form 
>>> Importance: High
>>> 
>>> Dear All:
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the IOC, we would like to provide some commentary on the 
>>> following Questions Presented to SO’s/AC’s/Stakeholder 
>>> Groups/Constituencies. 
>>> 
>>> 4. Do you think there are substantive differences between the RCRC/IOC and 
>>> other IGOs and INGOs?
>>> 
>>> This question should not be asked until the group defines the objective 
>>> criteria by which these organizations will be considered for protection.  
>>> We believe that the substantive difference between the RCRC/IOC and 
>>> IGO/INGOs is legal, and requires somewhat complex legal analysis.  Because 
>>> of that, it would be more appropriate to ask this question of the community 
>>> once we, and they have the benefit of ICANN General Counsel’s answers to 
>>> the Working Group’s legal inquiry, or, at the very least, more information 
>>> than what is given to them here. 
>>> 
>>> In addition, this question has been answered by the GAC and by ICANN inside 
>>> and outside counsel, and the conclusions and analysis have been presented 
>>> to the community.  Again, at the very least, the group should present the 
>>> material which contains the analysis behind the GAC and Board decisions to 
>>> provide context for this question. 
>>> 
>>> 7. Should the current Special Protections provided to the RCRC and the IOC 
>>> names at the top and second level of the initial round for new gTLDs be 
>>> made permanent in all gTLDs and if not, what specific recommendations for 
>>> appropriate Special Protections (if any) do you have? 
>>> 
>>> Again, this question is both premature and inadequately presented.  The 
>>> Working Group should wait until the ICANN General Counsel responds to its 
>>> legal inquiry, and should provide the answer to that question to the groups 
>>> receiving this questionnaire before seeking input. Without providing 
>>> necessary context, the answers to the questions run the risk of being 
>>> without weight or substantive value. 
>>> 
>>> 8. Do you feel existing RPMs or proposed RPMs for the new gTLD program are 
>>> adequate to offer protections to IGO and INGOs (understanding that UDRP and 
>>> TMCH may not be eligible for all IGOs and INGOs)? 
>>> 
>>> The IOC has spent over a year answering this question.  We would 
>>> respectfully ask that this question be presented along with the materials 
>>> that we submitted to the IOC/RCRC Drafting Team, in order to provide 
>>> context to the individuals and groups that are answering this 
>>> questionnaire. Without this information, the question presented is unfairly 
>>> skewed. 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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