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RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012

  • To: jeff.neuman@xxxxxxxxxx, mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx
  • Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012
  • From: "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:32:31 -0700 (PDT)


So, where are we in the consensus call?


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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:07 PM PDT Neuman, Jeff wrote:

>Thanks Mary.  We will include this statement.
>
>Jeffrey J. Neuman
>Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
>
>
>From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
>Behalf Of Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:04 PM
>Cc: 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
>September 2012
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>
>This is the formal NCSG statement for the record:
>
>The NCSG rejects the 3b "temporary registration block" as defined in the 
>IOC/IFRC Drafting Team's recommendation for a number of reasons:
>
>1. Policy recommendations from the GNSO on reserved names can only be made by 
>a PDP that is properly constituted and is run according to the process rules 
>as established in the ICANN by-laws.
>
>2. This drafting team continues to circumvent proper process by attempting to 
>make policy as opposed to performing its proper function of fact gathering and 
>presenting information to the council that can be used in deciding on the 
>viability and charter for such a PDP.
>
>The NCSG supports the PDP only on the condition that among the possible 
>outcomes is the current status quo, no protection at the second level. We 
>support the PDP as the only appropriate place to resolve this proposal among 
>competing proposals. We believe it is illegitimate to change reserved name 
>policy,,,,, no matter how it is euphemistically named, before the PDP runs its 
>course.
>
>The NCSG is also aware of other types of humanitarian organization that also 
>demand these privileges and we feel that any discussion on granting such 
>special reservations must include a full discussion of all who request such 
>reservations.
>
>Finally the NCSG does not believe that the reserved name list can be used 
>solely for the purpose of new gTLDs, and that any decisions on adding names to 
>the reserved list must take incumbent registries into account.
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Mary
>
>
>
>Mary W S Wong
>Professor of Law
>Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
>Chair, Graduate IP Programs
>UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
>Two White Street
>Concord, NH 03301
>USA
>Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Phone: 1-603-513-5143
>Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
>Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: 
>http://ssrn.com/author=437584
>
>
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>From:
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>"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
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>To:
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>"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
>"Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>" 
><Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>CC:
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>"'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'" 
><gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
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>Date:
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>9/27/2012 5:20 PM
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>Subject:
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>RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012
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>All,
>As Berry and I are working on the public announcement, we now understand the 
>NCSG position that they are in favor of the PDP (Recommendation 1), but do not 
>agree with Recommendations 2 and 3 with respect to any reservation or 
>moratorium on the IOC/RCRC names.  That will be reflected in the post.  I will 
>classify it as consensus on Recommendation 1, and strong support on 
>Recommendations 2 and 3 with opposition from the NCSG.
>I hope that will be acceptable to the group.    If the NCSG can get in an 
>official statement tonight that would be great, otherwise I will just note the 
>opposition in the introduction note for the public comment.
>Thanks for the lively discussion today.
>
>Jeffrey J. Neuman
>Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
>
>
>
>From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> 
>[mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:11 PM
>To: Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
>September 2012
>
>Thanks Mary.
>Chuck
>
>From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> 
>[mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:51 PM
>Cc: 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
>September 2012
>
>
>Just to add, as the NCSG alternate and NCUC rep to this DT (and incidentally 
>chair of the NCSG Policy Committee) - there has been vigorous discussion on 
>the NCSG listserv for quite some time on this matter. While there was 
>disagreement and debate at some point about specific points such as the 
>appropriate scope of a PDP, the differences between top and second level 
>protections and the implications of recommendations applying only to the 
>second round of new gTLD applications, most of the participants who commented 
>on the issue either opposed or did not favor temporary reservations. Most 
>members who spoke up also favored a PDP, with many supporting a broad PDP.
>
>
>The two sister constituencies both have representatives on the NCSG Policy 
>Committee, where the DT's proposals have been circulated. In addition, NPOC 
>was the constituency which voiced concerns (including circulating a proposal 
>at the Costa Rica meeting) that protection for names of IGOs and other 
>internationally-based organizations should also be considered by the GNSO. 
>This was raised and discussed during the GNSO Council debates on the IGO issue.
>
>
>In sum, both NPOC and NCUC members have had time and opportunity to discuss 
>and debate the matter. The NCSG Policy Committee has also separately been kept 
>updated on the work of the DT. As such, I feel confident in stating that there 
>is consensus both within NCUC and the broader NCSG for supporting a PDP that 
>includes consideration of the IGO question and similar protection for other 
>international organizational names (without any formal comment at this point 
>as to how that PDP should be structured) but not for any temporary 
>reservations as proposed in the current DT document.
>
>
>As Avri has said, the NCUC/NCSG participant who was able to be on the last 
>call has explained to the membership that he was attempting to convey his 
>personal views.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Mary
>
>
>
>Mary W S Wong
>Professor of Law
>Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
>Chair, Graduate IP Programs
>UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
>Two White Street
>Concord, NH 03301
>USA
>Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Phone: 1-603-513-5143
>Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
>Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: 
>http://ssrn.com/author=437584
>
>
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>From:
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>"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>To:
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>Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>CC:
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>"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, 
>"'avri@xxxxxxx'" <avri@xxxxxxx<mailto:avri@xxxxxxx>, 
>"'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'" 
><gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
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>Date:
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>9/27/2012 11:32 AM
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>Subject:
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>RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012
>
>
>Thanks for the quick reply Wendy.
>
>Chuck
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:34 AM
>> To: Gomes, Chuck
>> Cc: Neuman, Jeff; 'avri@xxxxxxx'; 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26
>> September 2012
>>
>> On 09/27/2012 09:38 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>> > Wendy,
>> >
>> > I assume you mean recommendation 2 and any references to it in 3.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification, Chuck.  I read too quickly.
>> We reject the temporary registration block in paragraph 2, and its
>> communication as described in 3b.
>>
>> > Is that a unanimous position from the NCSG?  Did the NPOC take the
>> same position?
>>
>> I have not heard opposition on the NCSG discussion list.
>>
>> --Wendy
>>
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> > [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-
>> > dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dt@xxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:50 AM
>> > To: Neuman, Jeff
>> > Cc: 'avri@xxxxxxx'; 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>> > Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance
>> > 26 September 2012
>> >
>> >
>> > Like Avri, I believe NCSG rejects the 3b "temporary registration
>> > block."
>> >
>> > We support the PDP only on the condition that among the possible
>> > outcomes is the current status quo, no protection at the second
>> > level, (but support the PDP as the appropriate place to resolve
>> among
>> > competing proposals), so we would not change that before the policy
>> > development runs its course.
>> >
>> > --Wendy
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/27/2012 07:30 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Avri,
>> >>
>> >> We are going to open up a public comment period on everything that
>> > has been received by COB today (wherever you are in the
>> world)...just
>> > so Berry and ICANN has it when they come into the office in the
>> > morning Friday,  that said, Wolfgang was on from the NCSG yesterday,
>> > but did not express opposition to the moratorium.  I thought, and we
>> > can check the recording, that he said the NCSG supported the
>> > recommendations.  I could be off base, and Berry was taking notes so
>> he can correct me.
>> >>
>> >> In either case, that opinion is not set in stone, but it is
>> >> important
>> > as it sounded like on the call the was indeed a consensus on all of
>> > the recommendations (if just a rough consensus).  So, if you could
>> > confirm the NCSG position that would be great.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent with Good (www.good.com<http://www.good.com>)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx]
>> >> Sent:Thursday, September 27, 2012 02:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> >> To:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject:Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3,
>> attendance
>> > 26 September 2012
>> >>
>> >> I unfortunately could not attend the meeting.
>> >>
>> >> I want to make it clear that I do not support a the moratorium, but
>> > do
>> >> support the PDP I also believe that this is the position of the
>> NCSG.
>> >>
>> >> I hope that this is what was conveyed by the lone NCSG participant.
>> >>
>> >> What is the deadline for opposing statements?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nathalie Peregrine 
>> >> <nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please find the MP3 recording of the GAC/GNSO issues
>> > related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) and Red Cross (RC)
>> > names discussion group teleconference held on Wednesday 26 September
>> > 2012  at 1800 UTC at:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-ioc-20120926-en.mp3
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#sep
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the
>> > GNSO Master Calendar page:
>> >>
>> >> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
>> > <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Attendees
>> >>
>> >> Jeff Neuman -  Registry SG group leader
>> >>
>> >> Wolfgang Kleinwachter - NCUC
>> >>
>> >> Lanre Ajayi - Nominating Committee Appointee
>> >>
>> >> Alan Greenberg - ALAC
>> >>
>> >> Chuck Gomes - RySG
>> >>
>> >> Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC
>> >>
>> >> David Heasley - IPC
>> >>
>> >> Jim Bikoff - IPC
>> >>
>> >> St├ęphane Hankins - International Committee of the Red
>> > Cross
>> >>
>> >> Thomas Rickert - Nominating Committee Appointee
>> >>
>> >> Osvaldo Novao -ISPC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Apology :
>> >>
>> >> Avri Doria -  NCSG
>> >>
>> >> J.Scott Evans - IPC
>> >>
>> >> Gregory Shatan - IPC
>> >>
>> >> Mary Wong - NCUC
>> >>
>> >> Brian Peck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ICANN Staff
>> >>
>> >> Margie Milam
>> >>
>> >> Berry Cobb
>> >>
>> >> Nathalie Peregrine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the
>> > list **
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The mailing list address is
>> >>
>> >> Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Gnso-iocrc-<mailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:Gnso-iocrc->
>> > dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dt@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> <mailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> >
>> >> <mailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx 
>> >> <mailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx%20%3cmailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>  >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Public archives are at:http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-iocrc-
>> > dt/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nathalie
>> >>
>> >> GNSO Secretariat
>> >>
>> >> gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> >> <mailto:gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Avri Doria
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx> +1 
>> > 617.863.0613 Fellow, Berkman
>> > Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow,
>> > Yale Law School Information Society Project
>> http://wendy.seltzer.org/
>> > https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
>> > http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx> +1 617.863.0613 
>> Fellow, Berkman
>> Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow,
>> Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/
>> https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
>> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
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