RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012

["Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

J Scott,

We are just putting the final touches on the public comment document and it 
should be posted today.  Essentially there is consensus on the recommendation 
for the pdp (while noting that there are groups that do not believe a Pdp is 
necessary, but represents an acceptable compromise), and there is strong 
support for the moratorium (noting the opposition from the NCSG and from Thomas 
Rickert).

Jeff


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 -----Original Message-----
From:   J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent:   Friday, September 28, 2012 12:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
To:     Neuman, Jeff; mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:     gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject:        RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
September 2012


So, where are we in the consensus call?


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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:07 PM PDT Neuman, Jeff wrote:

>Thanks Mary.  We will include this statement.
>
>Jeffrey J. Neuman
>Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
>
>
>From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
>Behalf Of Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:04 PM
>Cc: 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
>September 2012
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>Hello everyone,
>
>
>This is the formal NCSG statement for the record:
>
>The NCSG rejects the 3b "temporary registration block" as defined in the 
>IOC/IFRC Drafting Team's recommendation for a number of reasons:
>
>1. Policy recommendations from the GNSO on reserved names can only be made by 
>a PDP that is properly constituted and is run according to the process rules 
>as established in the ICANN by-laws.
>
>2. This drafting team continues to circumvent proper process by attempting to 
>make policy as opposed to performing its proper function of fact gathering and 
>presenting information to the council that can be used in deciding on the 
>viability and charter for such a PDP.
>
>The NCSG supports the PDP only on the condition that among the possible 
>outcomes is the current status quo, no protection at the second level. We 
>support the PDP as the only appropriate place to resolve this proposal among 
>competing proposals. We believe it is illegitimate to change reserved name 
>policy,,,,, no matter how it is euphemistically named, before the PDP runs its 
>course.
>
>The NCSG is also aware of other types of humanitarian organization that also 
>demand these privileges and we feel that any discussion on granting such 
>special reservations must include a full discussion of all who request such 
>reservations.
>
>Finally the NCSG does not believe that the reserved name list can be used 
>solely for the purpose of new gTLDs, and that any decisions on adding names to 
>the reserved list must take incumbent registries into account.
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Mary
>
>
>
>Mary W S Wong
>Professor of Law
>Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
>Chair, Graduate IP Programs
>UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
>Two White Street
>Concord, NH 03301
>USA
>Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Phone: 1-603-513-5143
>Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
>Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: 
>http://ssrn.com/author=437584
>
>
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>From:
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>"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
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>To:
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>"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
>"Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>" 
><Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>CC:
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>"'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'" 
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>Date:
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>9/27/2012 5:20 PM
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>Subject:
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>RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012
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>All,
>As Berry and I are working on the public announcement, we now understand the 
>NCSG position that they are in favor of the PDP (Recommendation 1), but do not 
>agree with Recommendations 2 and 3 with respect to any reservation or 
>moratorium on the IOC/RCRC names.  That will be reflected in the post.  I will 
>classify it as consensus on Recommendation 1, and strong support on 
>Recommendations 2 and 3 with opposition from the NCSG.
>I hope that will be acceptable to the group.    If the NCSG can get in an 
>official statement tonight that would be great, otherwise I will just note the 
>opposition in the introduction note for the public comment.
>Thanks for the lively discussion today.
>
>Jeffrey J. Neuman
>Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
>
>
>
>From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> 
>[mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:11 PM
>To: Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
>September 2012
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>Thanks Mary.
>Chuck
>
>From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> 
>[mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:51 PM
>Cc: 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
>September 2012
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>Just to add, as the NCSG alternate and NCUC rep to this DT (and incidentally 
>chair of the NCSG Policy Committee) - there has been vigorous discussion on 
>the NCSG listserv for quite some time on this matter. While there was 
>disagreement and debate at some point about specific points such as the 
>appropriate scope of a PDP, the differences between top and second level 
>protections and the implications of recommendations applying only to the 
>second round of new gTLD applications, most of the participants who commented 
>on the issue either opposed or did not favor temporary reservations. Most 
>members who spoke up also favored a PDP, with many supporting a broad PDP.
>
>
>The two sister constituencies both have representatives on the NCSG Policy 
>Committee, where the DT's proposals have been circulated. In addition, NPOC 
>was the constituency which voiced concerns (including circulating a proposal 
>at the Costa Rica meeting) that protection for names of IGOs and other 
>internationally-based organizations should also be considered by the GNSO. 
>This was raised and discussed during the GNSO Council debates on the IGO issue.
>
>
>In sum, both NPOC and NCUC members have had time and opportunity to discuss 
>and debate the matter. The NCSG Policy Committee has also separately been kept 
>updated on the work of the DT. As such, I feel confident in stating that there 
>is consensus both within NCUC and the broader NCSG for supporting a PDP that 
>includes consideration of the IGO question and similar protection for other 
>international organizational names (without any formal comment at this point 
>as to how that PDP should be structured) but not for any temporary 
>reservations as proposed in the current DT document.
>
>
>As Avri has said, the NCUC/NCSG participant who was able to be on the last 
>call has explained to the membership that he was attempting to convey his 
>personal views.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Mary
>
>
>
>Mary W S Wong
>Professor of Law
>Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
>Chair, Graduate IP Programs
>UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
>Two White Street
>Concord, NH 03301
>USA
>Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Phone: 1-603-513-5143
>Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
>Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: 
>http://ssrn.com/author=437584
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>From:
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>"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>To:
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>Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>CC:
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>"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, 
>"'avri@xxxxxxx'" <avri@xxxxxxx<mailto:avri@xxxxxxx>, 
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>Date:
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>9/27/2012 11:32 AM
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>Subject:
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>RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012
>
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>Thanks for the quick reply Wendy.
>
>Chuck
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:34 AM
>> To: Gomes, Chuck
>> Cc: Neuman, Jeff; 'avri@xxxxxxx'; 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26
>> September 2012
>>
>> On 09/27/2012 09:38 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>> > Wendy,
>> >
>> > I assume you mean recommendation 2 and any references to it in 3.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification, Chuck.  I read too quickly.
>> We reject the temporary registration block in paragraph 2, and its
>> communication as described in 3b.
>>
>> > Is that a unanimous position from the NCSG?  Did the NPOC take the
>> same position?
>>
>> I have not heard opposition on the NCSG discussion list.
>>
>> --Wendy
>>
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> > [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-
>> > dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dt@xxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:50 AM
>> > To: Neuman, Jeff
>> > Cc: 'avri@xxxxxxx'; 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
>> > Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance
>> > 26 September 2012
>> >
>> >
>> > Like Avri, I believe NCSG rejects the 3b "temporary registration
>> > block."
>> >
>> > We support the PDP only on the condition that among the possible
>> > outcomes is the current status quo, no protection at the second
>> > level, (but support the PDP as the appropriate place to resolve
>> among
>> > competing proposals), so we would not change that before the policy
>> > development runs its course.
>> >
>> > --Wendy
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/27/2012 07:30 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Avri,
>> >>
>> >> We are going to open up a public comment period on everything that
>> > has been received by COB today (wherever you are in the
>> world)...just
>> > so Berry and ICANN has it when they come into the office in the
>> > morning Friday,  that said, Wolfgang was on from the NCSG yesterday,
>> > but did not express opposition to the moratorium.  I thought, and we
>> > can check the recording, that he said the NCSG supported the
>> > recommendations.  I could be off base, and Berry was taking notes so
>> he can correct me.
>> >>
>> >> In either case, that opinion is not set in stone, but it is
>> >> important
>> > as it sounded like on the call the was indeed a consensus on all of
>> > the recommendations (if just a rough consensus).  So, if you could
>> > confirm the NCSG position that would be great.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>  -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx]
>> >> Sent:Thursday, September 27, 2012 02:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> >> To:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject:Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3,
>> attendance
>> > 26 September 2012
>> >>
>> >> I unfortunately could not attend the meeting.
>> >>
>> >> I want to make it clear that I do not support a the moratorium, but
>> > do
>> >> support the PDP I also believe that this is the position of the
>> NCSG.
>> >>
>> >> I hope that this is what was conveyed by the lone NCSG participant.
>> >>
>> >> What is the deadline for opposing statements?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nathalie Peregrine 
>> >> <nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please find the MP3 recording of the GAC/GNSO issues
>> > related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) and Red Cross (RC)
>> > names discussion group teleconference held on Wednesday 26 September
>> > 2012  at 1800 UTC at:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-ioc-20120926-en.mp3
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#sep
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the
>> > GNSO Master Calendar page:
>> >>
>> >> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
>> > <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Attendees
>> >>
>> >> Jeff Neuman -  Registry SG group leader
>> >>
>> >> Wolfgang Kleinwachter - NCUC
>> >>
>> >> Lanre Ajayi - Nominating Committee Appointee
>> >>
>> >> Alan Greenberg - ALAC
>> >>
>> >> Chuck Gomes - RySG
>> >>
>> >> Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC
>> >>
>> >> David Heasley - IPC
>> >>
>> >> Jim Bikoff - IPC
>> >>
>> >> Stéphane Hankins - International Committee of the Red
>> > Cross
>> >>
>> >> Thomas Rickert - Nominating Committee Appointee
>> >>
>> >> Osvaldo Novao -ISPC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Apology :
>> >>
>> >> Avri Doria -  NCSG
>> >>
>> >> J.Scott Evans - IPC
>> >>
>> >> Gregory Shatan - IPC
>> >>
>> >> Mary Wong - NCUC
>> >>
>> >> Brian Peck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ICANN Staff
>> >>
>> >> Margie Milam
>> >>
>> >> Berry Cobb
>> >>
>> >> Nathalie Peregrine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the
>> > list **
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The mailing list address is
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>> > dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dt@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> <mailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:Gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> >
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>> >>  >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Public archives are at:http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-iocrc-
>> > dt/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nathalie
>> >>
>> >> GNSO Secretariat
>> >>
>> >> gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> >> <mailto:gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>
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>> >> Avri Doria
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>> > --
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