Re: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Charter Question (C): Change of Registrant

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 14 Jul 2010, at 21:53, James M. Bladel wrote:

> 
> Thanks, Matt.  For the record, I agree that any -defined- COR process
> should be required of registrars.  
> 
> Also, there is an interesting case to consider when thinking about
> "Company Name" being an optional field.  For example, if I had
> Registrant = James Bladel, and Company Name = BladelCorp, and later
> removed "BladelCorp," did I just change the registrant?  It might seem
> obvious at first glance to say "no," but could this be gamed / abused?  
> 
> What if I instead changed it to "MattCorp?"

I'd see that as a change of registrant, as the company would be the holder more 
than the private individual

In the case of a .tel or a co.uk putting in the company changes the options on 
whois etc., significantly
For a co.uk you'd need to go through their change of registrant process to 
switch it back
For a .eu it would be a "trade" (though the entire "trade" vs. "transfer" 
mechanism in .eu gives most people headaches)


> 
> 
> J.
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Charter Question (C): Change of
> Registrant
> From: "Matt Serlin" <matt.serlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, July 14, 2010 3:46 pm
> To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "ITRP-B Mailing List
> Mailing List" <Gnso-irtp-b-jun09@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Hi All - apologies for missing the call yesterday, but I did listen to
> the MP3 earlier and I believe Michele had asked folks to look at some of
> the e-mail threads and provide some feedback...am starting with this
> one, but know there are others as well...
> 
> Here are some of my thoughts on the subjects below as well as some items
> from the call yesterday...
> 
> - I don't believe there's going to be any ICANN specific information
> related to "change of registrant" as discussed. I do think it's very
> critical to our conversations in this WG, but also believe it could spin
> off into a completely new avenue for policy development.
> 
> - I would very strongly support some sort of standardized policy
> regarding change of registrant in the gTLD market. As James points out,
> a variety of ccTLDs have this type of function and I believe it works
> very well. There are some tlds where you can update all of the
> information on the domain with the exception of the actual registrant
> name field (MarkMonitor, Inc. or Matt Serlin for example). I think this
> type of mechanism would be most useful not only in guarding against
> highjacking, but also just standardizing processes across the board.
> 
> - I believe any sort of change of registrant procedure would have to be
> done at the registry level, but it strikes me that this would currently
> be impossible in the largest tld as Verisign supports a thin whois
> record and doesn't have any registrant data currently. I don't think
> this should stop us from exploring the possibilities, but it is a
> reality in which we need to be cognizant of. 
> 
> - To the point below about registrars supporting change of registrant
> functions, I do believe this should be a requirement for registrars to
> support this. By allowing registrant to opt of this I believe would lead
> to user confusion and frustrations.
> 
> Hopefully this will lead to some further discussions on the list and
> again apologies for missing the call yesterday.
> 
> Regards,
> Matt Serlin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-irtp-b-jun09@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-irtp-b-jun09@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:44 AM
> To: ITRP-B Mailing List Mailing List
> Subject: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Charter Question (C): Change of Registrant
> 
> 
> Team:
> 
> 
> According to our charter, question (c) asks:
> 
> "c) Whether special provisions are needed for a change of registrant
> when it occurs near the time of a change of registrar. The policy does
> not currently deal with change of registrant, which often figures in
> hijacking cases;"
> 
> In advance of tomorrow's call, I wanted to reopen the definitional work
> regarding "Change of Registrant." Please recall that I took a stab at
> creating working definitions for various concepts early in the life of
> the WG:
> 
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtp-b-jun09/msg00035.html 
> 
> In which this concept was tentatively defined as:
> 
> 
> "2. CHANGE OF REGISTRANT: The SHOPPER changes the registration WHOIS
> data for "Registrant" record. May also include changing 
> other contacts, (Admin, Tech, Billing) but the focus here is on the
> Registrant. Changes to WHOIS records that only modify other records 
> do not constitute a CHANGE OF REGISTRANT." (Note that we didn't get too
> far in defining "SHOPPER" or "CUSTOMER"...)
> 
> 
> So, here are some questions that might start off our discussions
> tomorrow:
> 
> * What is a "Change of Registrant"? How does it differ from a routine
> update / modification of the record published in WHOIS?
> * What fields must be modified to indicate that a "Change of
> Registrant" has occurred? Can optional fields be included in this list?
> * Does ICANN need a defined "Change of Registrant" process or
> definition in the IRTP (or elsewhere?) Some ccTLDs define this function
> as a "Trade"
> * Are gTLD registrars obligated to offer "Change of Registrant"
> operations? How does this impact their respective Registration
> Agreement(s)?
> 
> 

Mr Michele Neylon
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