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RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Victoria's Apprehension
- To: "'Victoria McEvedy'" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>, <sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Olga Cavalli'" <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Victoria's Apprehension
- From: "Michael Young" <myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:42:05 -0400
How about dealing with this a stepped fashion? We could raise the concerns
formally with the OSC and cc the letter/comment to the Board. I believe we
should give the OSC a first opportunity to address this rather perhaps giving
the impression we are bypassing them. If we feel our work is impeded after
that point, we can then address the Board directly.
Victoria it would help me (and I suspect others) if you could perhaps draft a
proposed letter/comment for submission prior to Friday’s meeting. This letter
would frame your concern and describe its scope (at least for me). I want to
make sure I fully understand your concern, (and forgive me if I am paraphrasing
this wrong), that allowing charter approvals will impede our own work
objectives.
Best Regards,
Michael Young
Vice-President,
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From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: April-22-09 3:01 AM
To: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; Olga Cavalli
Cc: Michael Young; Gomes, Chuck; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de
Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Victoria's
Apprehension
My own suggestion would be that we the COT WT write formally to the Board and
the OSC and ask for clarification.
From: SS Kshatriy [mailto:sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 22 April 2009 01:21
To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
Cc: Michael Young; Gomes, Chuck; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de
Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Victoria's
Apprehension
Hi Everybody,
Victoria made a very valid point in-
"I’m sure none of us --who are volunteering our time --want to make
recommendations that are too late to have any impact. "
Chuck made very good observations but some of it may not be very clear.
I will suggest a way out. Olga may convey WT's apprehensions to OSC in next
routine communication. WT may continue its work as best as understood by all.
SS
--
(I have an example where a Committee worked very hard for 6 months, collected
lots of information, and produced a very elaborate document. All that became
useless simply because Staff representative remained silent and board never
knew what was happening)
SS
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--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
To: "Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Michael Young" <myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Gomes, Chuck"
<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx, "OSC-CSG Work Team"
<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>, "Julie Hedlund" <jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Glen de
Saint Géry" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, "Rob Hoggarth" <robert.hoggarth@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:48 PM
Dear Victoria,
do you have a specific proposal on how to proceed?
Perhaps you can share it with us in the list and have a previous discussion
before Friday´s call in order to use our time more efficiently.
Best
Olga
2009/4/21 Victoria McEvedy <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
No one is suggesting that we would direct. Putting a marker down and asking for
clarification are hardly directing anyone.
My own concern is not to be involved in an exercise of going through the
motions for forms sake only.
Either the Board will wait for us or it will not ---in which case we should
cease work.
We are tasked with recommending implementing the BGC’s recommendations (which
are at the highest level surely)–which deal with participation.
Participation is governed by the charters. Our work goes directly to the
charters.
We must resolve this debate. As I said –if there is a carve out –we must
identify it/agree what it is.
Victoria McEvedy
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From: Michael Young [mailto:myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 21 April 2009 21:30
To: 'Gomes, Chuck'; Victoria McEvedy; 'Olga Cavalli'
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; 'OSC-CSG Work Team'; 'Julie Hedlund'; 'Glen de Saint
Géry'; 'Rob Hoggarth'
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
I think it bears discussion at our meeting.
I am not sure that its within our scope to be directing the Board on how it
manages its charter approvals. I tend to think that the charters are high
level enough that they should not conflict with our recommendations. If they
happen to, I am sure there will be an effort to reconcile charters in conflict.
None of the stakeholder/constituencies are going to want to be singled out as
conflicted with our recommendations and they all have the ability to amend
their charters and resubmit to the Board for approval.
Best Regards,
Michael Young
From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: April-21-09 4:19 PM
To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry;
Rob Hoggarth
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
Maybe there will be time in our call on Friday to discuss this further.
Chuck
_____
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:04 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Olga Cavalli
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry;
Rob Hoggarth
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
Ok thanks Chuck –I think we have the very heart of the issue here.
The word operational –does not detract from that fact that (as I keep saying)
these issues are in fact, very important and substantive (ie not procedural and
not about “admission templates”).
The BGC’s recommendations were substantive. The issues as to participation are
substantive. I have already made these points.
If there is some carve out from our work –could someone please tell me what it
is and where it comes from. Otherwise our reference is surely the BGC’s report
and recommendations.
There are many vested interests are concerned to see the status quo preserved,
and reducing our work to “templates” would suit them just fine.
We need to resolve this. It’s a key issue. We need to go back to the Board for
formal answers about timing of its approvals, the current charters etc and our
work.
Regards,
Victoria McEvedy
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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 21 April 2009 20:50
To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry;
Rob Hoggarth
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
Thanks for clarifying Victoria. Please note my responses below.
Chuck
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From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:38 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Olga Cavalli
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry;
Rob Hoggarth
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
I’m sure none of us --who are volunteering our time --want to make
recommendations that are too late to have any impact.
If the Board proceeds to approve the charters and/or constituencies before it
now without our input –what is the point?
[Gomes, Chuck] In my opinion, the charters shouldn't contain much operational
detail but should be at a higher level. If I am wrong and we recommend
something that goes against our recommendation, then that will have to be fixed
later. I would like to think that the Board will catch any major problems
before they approve charters. I think it is safe to assume that the Board will
be looking for any deviances from their recommendations so they shouldn't
approve a charter that has any such deviances. Our task is to develop
recommendations for implementing the Board recommendations, so if all of us are
using the same base (the Board Recommendations), we should be okay.
If there is a formal way to ask them to wait and/or put a marker down that they
ought to have our recommendations –then we should use it.
[Gomes, Chuck] What would we ask them to delay?
At present the SG’s contain the old constituencies so the point remains I
think. Until we see something new we are working with the old models?
[Gomes, Chuck] Like I said above, the main basis of our work is the Board
recommendations, not old or new models. As we do that though, we will try to
get lots of input from existing and new constituencies and under-formation SGs
so that our implementation recommendations address varying needs while at the
same time accommodating the Board recommendations.
Regards,
Victoria McEvedy
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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 21 April 2009 20:31
To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry;
Rob Hoggarth
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
Victoria,
I don't believe there is any pending actions on the part of the Board that
impacts our work on the CSG WT. They already approved the bicameral Council
model with 4 SGs. That is why we need to focus on SG operations as well as
Constituency Operations.
Maybe I don't understand you question Victoria.
Chuck
_____
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:26 PM
To: Olga Cavalli; Gomes, Chuck
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry;
Rob Hoggarth
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
Chuck and Olga and Team,
Is there a formal way of politely asking the Board to wait for our
recommendations in these regards?
Best,
Victoria McEvedy
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From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Olga Cavalli
Sent: 21 April 2009 18:36
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry;
Rob Hoggarth
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
Thanks Chuck,
I agree with your comments.
Regards
Olga
2009/4/21 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
SS
The CSG WT will need to deal with both constituency operations and stakeholder
group operations. The original draft charter focused solely on constituencies
because the stakeholder group element had not yet been fully developed. As I
think you are aware, the SG charters are still being developed but I think
proposed charters are available for review; none of them have been approved by
the Board yet, nor have any of the constituency renewal requests been approved
yet to my knowldege.
Chuck
_____
From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of SS Kshatriy
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:39 AM
To: OSC-CSG Work Team; Olga Cavalli
Cc: Olga Cavalli; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support
Dear Olga,
Good to hear from you about next conference call.
1. I will need comparative statement of 'participation rules and operating
procedures', followed by various constituencies in a tabulated/summarized form
from the staff and also any other material they have prepared to support the
work.
2. language of subtask 1.1 still remains to be resolved--constituency or
Stakeholder group?
regards,
SS
--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call
To: "OSC-CSG Work Team" <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Olga Cavalli" <olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx>, "Julie Hedlund"
<jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Glen de Saint Géry" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, "Rob Hoggarth"
<robert.hoggarth@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:51 AM
Dear Work Team members,
In preparation for our next meeting on Friday, April 24, at 1300 UTC, I would
like to remind you of our action items and suggest an agenda for the meeting.
First, for our action items ICANN staff circulated a revised Draft Task 1 Work
Plan (https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_operations_team).
Many of you provided comments and agreed to participate as follows:
1. Develop recommendations for a set of participation rules and operating
procedures, which all constituencies should abide by
Lead:
S.S. Kshatriya - Individual
Participants:
Victoria McEvedy - Intellectual Property Interests Constituency
Rafik Dammak - Non-Commercial Users Constituency
2. Develop recommendations for clear operating principles for each
constituency to ensure that all constituencies function in a representative,
open, transparent, and democratic manner
Lead:
Victoria McEvedy - Intellectual Property Interests Constituency
Participants:
Olga Cavalli - Nominating Committee Appointee
Rafik Dammak - Non-Commercial Users Constituency
3. Develop recommendations for creating and maintaining a database of all
constituency members and others not formally a part of any constituency that is
up-to-date and publicly accessible.
Lead:
Krista Papac - Registrar Constituency
Participants:
Tony Harris - Internet Service and Connectivity Providers Constituency
4. Develop a "toolkit" of in-kind staff support and/or services for all
constituencies
Lead:
Julie Hedlund - ICANN staff
Participants:
Chuck Gomes - gTLD Registries Constituency
I suggest that we review the Work Plan so that we can be prepared to discuss it
on Friday's call.
In particular, I think it would be useful for all of us to consider how we
might exchange information about constituencies in relation to the subtasks.
Also, in our last meeting we agreed that it will be very important to have
input from all constituencies as we develop the recommendations for these
subtasks. Thus far, not all constituencies are represented and it could be
very much convenient that all of them participate actively in this process.
Finally, here is a draft agenda for Friday's meeting. Please feel free to
suggest any changes or additions.
Meeting Agenda
1. Call to order/roll call
2. Draft Task 1 Work Plan
a. Participants from constituencies that are not represented
b. How to exchange information about constituencies in relations to
subtasks
c. First steps and schedule for draft sub-team recommendations
3. Any other business
Thank you and I look forward to meeting with you on Friday.
Best regards,
Olga
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