Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening

[victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]

I am sorry but Chuck as clarified on the call yesterday ---you have only the 
status of an ordinary WG member in this WG and you have no special 
jurisdiction. If you now contend to the contrary and contrary to yesterday 
---please explain how your special role operates. Thank you. Victoria
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From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:38:05 
To: <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>; Victoria McEvedy<victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>; <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>; 
<owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening

Julie
 
In my role as chair of the OSC, I request that no one's participation records 
be eliminated from the record.  First of all, I think we would need ICANN 
Counsel advice on whether that is permitted.  Secondly, I would want to get the 
OSC to weigh in on this on behalf of the Council as part of its steering 
responsibilty. And third, elminating the participation of anyone or any group 
except for disciplinary reasons, which is not the case here, would go 
completely contrary to the Board approved GNSO improvement recommendations for 
which we are developing implementation recommendations.
 
Chuck


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        From: Zahid Jamil [mailto:zahid@xxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:39 AM
        To: Victoria McEvedy; Gomes, Chuck; Glen@xxxxxxxxx; 
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx
        Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening
        
        
        Please also note that the reservation also extends to me as an 
individual and BC member. Many thanks.
        
        Julie please confirm and record that my participation is expunged as 
requested consequent to objections raised by Victoria. Thanks.
        
        
        
        
        
        

        
        
        Sincerely,
        
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        From: "Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx> 
        Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:36:22 +0000
        To: Victoria McEvedy<victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>; Gomes, 
Chuck<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>; <owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; 
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        Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening

        Thank you for your thoughts Victoria.
        
        I may have misunderstood the earlier invitation of the group despite 
them at that time having spent several months already on much work on drafts. 
If there is little room for late comers to be able to impact or meaningful 
contribute to the outcomes then I think it my responsibility to simply withdraw 
from the group to avoid giving an impression that either as an individual, BC 
member/rep or as a GNSO councillor I have provided any consent/acquiescence or 
contribution to the work/outcome of the group. I would request that my 
participation be expunged from the record as it cannot be meaningful and for 
reasons expressed by you, is unwelcome. 
        
        Please note that the BC reserves all rights to respond to any 
work/output of the group at the appropriate stage which remain unprejudiced.
        
        Many thanks. Wishing your work all the best.
        
        
        
        
        
        
        

        
        
        Sincerely,
        
        Zahid Jamil
        Barrister-at-law
        Jamil & Jamil
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        Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan
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        From: "Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx> 
        Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:51:32 +0100
        To: Gomes, Chuck<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>; 
<Glen@xxxxxxxxx>; <owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
        Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening


        Chuck - I believe these are accepted norms but in any event they are 
now included in the following:

         

         

        1.    The WG Implementation and Charter Drafting Guidelines at 1.3 
"..the Chair should be able to ensure that anyone joining a WG after it has 
begun has reviewed all documents and mailing list postings and agrees not to 
reopen  previously decided questions."

         

        2.    The Draft WG Model Guidebook - "decisions that are made during a 
member's absence or silence should not be resurrected unless there is group 
consensus that the issue should be revisited."

         

        We spent some 6 months arguing many of the wider points now being 
raised and should not have to go over this ground again ---particularly when we 
are making excellent progress on the actual language before us. Further, this 
is 'tag negotiating' -namely the introduction of fresh players at the end of 
negotiations who are not bound by concessions already made and who have an 
advantage over the exhausted participants. It is objectionable.   

         

        I would ask that the late joiners agree to re-read all previous meeting 
transcripts and/or listen to recordings and not to re-open.  Personally I would 
rather avoid the exercise of now having to go through them all again to 
demonstrate that the issues were dealt with ---this WG has already demanded a 
great deal of working time (and some of us are not paid for our ICANN work).  

         

        If this is going to be a problem -then I think we should reconsider new 
members.    

         

        Regards,   

         

         

        Victoria McEvedy

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        From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent: 10 October 2009 03:27
        To: Victoria McEvedy; zahid@xxxxxxxxx; Glen@xxxxxxxxx; 
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx
        Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity

         

        I am not aware of any restriction about reopening an issue. Regardless, 
everyone in the subgroup must be given the opportunity to voice their support 
for a position and thereby be counted in the determination of rough consensus 
on the issue. 
        
        Chuck
        
        Chuck Gomes

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        From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx 
        To: Victoria McEvedy ; zahid@xxxxxxxxx ; Glen de Saint Géry ; 
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx ; gnso-osc-csg 
        Sent: Fri Oct 09 18:45:50 2009
        Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity 

        Apologies for the short response earlier. Zahid I refer you to the BGC 
Report:   

         

        The BGC Report at p.43 mandated the development of the following: 

        1.      "...constituency-developed participation rules for all 
constituencies that encourage openness, transparency and accountability. The 
rules must adhere to the following  principles.." 
        2.      "..clear operating principles for each constituency to ensure 
that all constituencies function in a representative, open, transparent and 
democratic manner. Operating procedures adopted by constituencies should 
reflect common principles and follow these guidelines:"[1] 

        The BGC summarized this in the following action item at p.46: "Proposed 
Action Item: The Board requests: (i) The GNSO constituencies, with assistance 
from Staff as needed, to develop a set of participation rules and operating 
procedures, consistent with the principles outlined above, which all 
constituencies should abide by. The ICANN Board should ask the constituencies 
to develop and publicize common principles within six months; and to implement 
operating rules and procedures consistent with those principles at that time."

         

        Zahid, this WG spent some 6 months on these issues and I'm afraid I do 
believe there are rules about re-opening old ground. We spent months on literal 
approaches to the BGC. 

         

        Zahid ---I suggest you read all the old minutes and transcript.      

         

        Regards,  

         

         

        Victoria McEvedy

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        McEvedys

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        From: Victoria McEvedy 
        Sent: 09 October 2009 21:02
        To: zahid@xxxxxxxxx; Glen de Saint Géry; owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; 
gnso-osc-csg
        Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity

         

        AKA common rules 

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        From: "Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx> 

        Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:47:01 +0100

        To: Glen de Saint Géry<Glen@xxxxxxxxx>; 
<owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>

        Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity

         

        Just listening to the audio of the call I missed. Could someone point 
out to me where the board used the word uniformity in the boards approval of 
the improvements. Having difficulty to find it.
        
        
        
        

        
        
        Sincerely,
        
        Zahid Jamil
        Barrister-at-law
        Jamil & Jamil
        Barristers-at-law
        219-221 Central Hotel Annexe
        Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan
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        From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx> 

        Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:57:45 -0700

        To: gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>

        Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] MP3 Constituency Operations work team call / 
Friday 9 October at 13:00 UTC.

         

        Dear All,
        
        Please find the MP3 recording of the Constituency Operations work team 
call held on Friday 9 October at 13:00 UTC.
        
        http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-constituency-ops-20091009.mp3
         
        On page:
        http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/index.html#oct
        
        Participants present:
        Michael Young - Registries - vice chair
        Rafik Dammak - NCUC
        Chuck Gomes - Registries 
        Victoria McEvedy - IPC
        Claudio Digangi - IPC  
        Tony Harris - ISP 
        SS Kshatriya - Individual
        
        ICANN Staff
        Glen de Saint Géry - GNSO Secretariat
        Julie Hedlund - Policy Staff
         
        Apologies
        Olga Cavalli - work team chair - NCA
        Krista Papac - Registrar c.
        Zahid Jamil - CBUC
        
        Thank you
        Kind regards
        Glen
        ---------------------------- 
        Glen de Saint Géry
        GNSO Secretariat
        gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        http://gnso.icann.org  

        
        
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        [1] The BGC summarized this in the following action item at p.46: 
"Proposed Action Item: The Board requests: (i) The GNSO constituencies, with 
assistance from Staff as needed, to develop a set of participation rules and 
operating procedures, consistent with the principles outlined above, which all 
constituencies should abide by. The ICANN Board should ask the constituencies 
to develop and publicize common principles within six months; and to implement 
operating rules and procedures consistent with those principles at that time." 



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