Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity

[Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello ,
I think that we should:
- behave in the way to only defend the interests of our respective
constituency instead looking for a common ground. I want to talk that
because the discussion about uniformity which is aimed to make charters,
bylaws and so on more coherent between all constituencies. I disagree with
any attempt to defend the particular interest of constituency by trying to
setup a lot of exceptions which de facto means the maintain of  statu quo.
we are in the process of improvement and restructuring not   in process
of maintain the same situation and label it differently.
-avoid the "push" way. I believe that usually make the opposite expected
result, even me I don't like be pushed even "friendly".
- reach rough consensus : easy to state , hard to achieve. the matter is not
to defend and advocate our proposal but find joint ones.
I agree for reopening issues but I think that should be exceptional. we are
a work team and not a  diplomacy arena where a long negotiation predominates
without clear outcomes.

Rafik

2009/10/11 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

>  I would add that there is precidence for reopening issues.  In the new
> gTLD process, several issues have been reopened.   Our goal is to get the
> strongest possible consensus as possible.  We cannot do that by excluding
> key view points.
>
> Chuck
>
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> *From:* owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Gomes, Chuck
> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 10:27 PM
> *To:* victoria@xxxxxxxxxx; zahid@xxxxxxxxx; Glen@xxxxxxxxx;
> owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx
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> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity
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>  I am not aware of any restriction about reopening an issue. Regardless,
> everyone in the subgroup must be given the opportunity to voice their
> support for a position and thereby be counted in the determination of rough
> consensus on the issue.
>
> Chuck
>
> Chuck Gomes
>
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> *From*: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx
> *To*: Victoria McEvedy ; zahid@xxxxxxxxx ; Glen de Saint Géry ;
> owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx ; gnso-osc-csg
> *Sent*: Fri Oct 09 18:45:50 2009
> *Subject*: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity
>
>  Apologies for the short response earlier. Zahid I refer you to the BGC
> Report:
>
>
>
> The BGC Report at p.43 mandated the development of the following:
>
>    1. “…constituency-developed participation *rules *for *all*constituencies 
> that encourage openness, transparency and accountability. The
>    rules must adhere to the following  *principles*..”
>    2. “..clear operating *principles *for each constituency to ensure that
>    all constituencies function in a representative, open, transparent and
>    democratic manner. *Operating procedures* adopted by constituencies
>    should reflect *common principles* and follow these 
> *guidelines*:”[1]<#1243f19d6d598666__ftn1>
>
> The BGC summarized this in the following action item at p.46: “Proposed
> Action Item: The Board requests: (i) The GNSO constituencies, with
> assistance from Staff as needed, to develop a set of participation rules and
> operating procedures, consistent with the principles outlined above, *which
> all constituencies should abide by*. The ICANN Board should ask the
> constituencies to develop and publicize *common principles* within six
> months; and to implement operating rules and procedures consistent with
> those principles at that time.”
>
>
>
> Zahid, this WG spent some 6 months on these issues and I’m afraid I do
> believe there are rules about re-opening old ground. We spent months on
> literal approaches to the BGC.
>
>
>
> Zahid ---I suggest you read all the old minutes and transcript.
>
>
>
> Regards,
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> AKA common rules
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> *From: *"Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>
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> *Date: *Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:47:01 +0100
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> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity
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> Just listening to the audio of the call I missed. Could someone point out
> to me where the board used the word uniformity in the boards approval of the
> improvements. Having difficulty to find it.
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> *From: *Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
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> *Date: *Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:57:45 -0700
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> *To: *gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
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> *Subject: *[gnso-osc-csg] MP3 Constituency Operations work team call /
> Friday 9 October at 13:00 UTC.
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> Dear All,
>
> Please find the MP3 recording of the Constituency Operations work team call
> held on Friday 9 October at 13:00 UTC.
>
> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-constituency-ops-20091009.mp3
>
> On page:
> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/index.html#oct
>
> Participants present:
> Michael Young – Registries – vice chair
> Rafik Dammak – NCUC
> Chuck Gomes – Registries
> Victoria McEvedy - IPC
> Claudio Digangi - IPC
> Tony Harris – ISP
> SS Kshatriya - Individual
>
> ICANN Staff
> Glen de Saint Géry - GNSO Secretariat
> Julie Hedlund – Policy Staff
>
> Apologies
> Olga Cavalli - work team chair – NCA
> Krista Papac – Registrar c.
> Zahid Jamil - CBUC
>
> Thank you
> Kind regards
> Glen
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> Glen de Saint Géry
> GNSO Secretariat
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> http://gnso.icann.org
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> [1] <#1243f19d6d598666__ftnref1> The BGC summarized this in the following
> action item at p.46: “Proposed Action Item: The Board requests: (i) The GNSO
> constituencies, with assistance from Staff as needed, to develop a set of
> participation rules and operating procedures, consistent with the principles
> outlined above, which all constituencies should abide by. The ICANN Board
> should ask the constituencies to develop and publicize common principles
> within six months; and to implement operating rules and procedures
> consistent with those principles at that time.”
>
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