Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening

[Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Zahid,

Please refer to the recent message from Olga.  She and Michael will consider 
your request.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Julie


On 10/10/09 7:39 AM, "Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Please also note that the reservation also extends to me as an individual and 
BC member.  Many thanks.Julie please confirm and record that my participation 
is expunged as requested consequent to objections raised by Victoria.  Thanks.

Sincerely,Zahid JamilBarrister-at-lawJamil & JamilBarristers-at-law219-221 
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From: "Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:36:22 +0000
To: Victoria McEvedy<victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>; Gomes, Chuck<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
<Glen@xxxxxxxxx>; <owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening
Thank you for your thoughts Victoria.I may have misunderstood the earlier 
invitation of the group despite them at that time having spent several months 
already on much work on drafts.  If there is little room for late comers to be 
able to impact or meaningful contribute to the outcomes then I think it my 
responsibility to simply withdraw from the group to avoid giving an impression 
that either as an individual, BC member/rep or as a GNSO councillor I have 
provided any consent/acquiescence or contribution to the work/outcome of the 
group.  I would request that my participation be expunged from the record as it 
cannot be meaningful and for reasons expressed by you, is unwelcome.  Please 
note that the BC reserves all rights to respond to any work/output of the group 
at the appropriate stage which remain unprejudiced.Many thanks.  Wishing your 
work all the best.

Sincerely,Zahid JamilBarrister-at-lawJamil & JamilBarristers-at-law219-221 
Central Hotel AnnexeMerewether Road, Karachi. PakistanCell: +923008238230Tel: 
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From: "Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:51:32 +0100
To: Gomes, Chuck<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>; <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>; 
<owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Norms on Re-Opening
Chuck - I believe these are accepted norms but in any event they are now 
included in the following:



1.   The WG Implementation and Charter Drafting Guidelines at 1.3 "..the Chair 
should be able to ensure that anyone joining a WG after it has begun has 
reviewed all documents and mailing list postings and agrees not to reopen  
previously decided questions."



2.   The Draft WG Model Guidebook - "decisions that are made during a member's 
absence or silence should not be resurrected unless there is group consensus 
that the issue should be revisited."



We spent some 6 months arguing many of the wider points now being raised and 
should not have to go over this ground again ---particularly when we are making 
excellent progress on the actual language before us. Further, this is 'tag 
negotiating' -namely the introduction of fresh players at the end of 
negotiations who are not bound by concessions already made and who have an 
advantage over the exhausted participants. It is objectionable.

I would ask that the late joiners agree to re-read all previous meeting 
transcripts and/or listen to recordings and not to re-open.  Personally I would 
rather avoid the exercise of now having to go through them all again to 
demonstrate that the issues were dealt with ---this WG has already demanded a 
great deal of working time (and some of us are not paid for our ICANN work).

If this is going to be a problem -then I think we should reconsider new members.

Regards,



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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 10 October 2009 03:27
To: Victoria McEvedy; zahid@xxxxxxxxx; Glen@xxxxxxxxx; 
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity

I am not aware of any restriction about reopening an issue. Regardless, 
everyone in the subgroup must be given the opportunity to voice their support 
for a position and thereby be counted in the determination of rough consensus 
on the issue.

Chuck

Chuck Gomes

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From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx
To: Victoria McEvedy ; zahid@xxxxxxxxx ; Glen de Saint Géry ; 
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx ; gnso-osc-csg
Sent: Fri Oct 09 18:45:50 2009
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity
Apologies for the short response earlier. Zahid I refer you to the BGC Report:

The BGC Report at p.43 mandated the development of the following:

 1.  "...constituency-developed participation rules for all constituencies that 
encourage openness, transparency and accountability. The rules must adhere to 
the following  principles.."
 2.  "..clear operating principles for each constituency to ensure that all 
constituencies function in a representative, open, transparent and democratic 
manner. Operating procedures adopted by constituencies should reflect common 
principles and follow these guidelines:"[1] <#_ftn1>

The BGC summarized this in the following action item at p.46: "Proposed Action 
Item: The Board requests: (i) The GNSO constituencies, with assistance from 
Staff as needed, to develop a set of participation rules and operating 
procedures, consistent with the principles outlined above, which all 
constituencies should abide by. The ICANN Board should ask the constituencies 
to develop and publicize common principles within six months; and to implement 
operating rules and procedures consistent with those principles at that time."

Zahid, this WG spent some 6 months on these issues and I'm afraid I do believe 
there are rules about re-opening old ground. We spent months on literal 
approaches to the BGC.

Zahid ---I suggest you read all the old minutes and transcript.


Regards,


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From: Victoria McEvedy
Sent: 09 October 2009 21:02
To: zahid@xxxxxxxxx; Glen de Saint Géry; owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; 
gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity

AKA common rules
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From: "Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:47:01 +0100

To: Glen de Saint Géry<Glen@xxxxxxxxx>; <owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; 
gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>

Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Uniformity


Just listening to the audio of the call I missed. Could someone point out to me 
where the board used the word uniformity in the boards approval of the 
improvements. Having difficulty to find it.






Sincerely,

Zahid Jamil
Barrister-at-law
Jamil & Jamil
Barristers-at-law
219-221 Central Hotel Annexe
Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan
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From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:57:45 -0700

To: gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>

Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] MP3 Constituency Operations work team call / Friday 9 
October at 13:00 UTC.


Dear All,

Please find the MP3 recording of the Constituency Operations work team call 
held on Friday 9 October at 13:00 UTC.

http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-constituency-ops-20091009.mp3

On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/index.html#oct

Participants present:
Michael Young - Registries - vice chair
Rafik Dammak - NCUC
Chuck Gomes - Registries
Victoria McEvedy - IPC
Claudio Digangi - IPC
Tony Harris - ISP
SS Kshatriya - Individual

ICANN Staff
Glen de Saint Géry - GNSO Secretariat
Julie Hedlund - Policy Staff

Apologies
Olga Cavalli - work team chair - NCA
Krista Papac - Registrar c.
Zahid Jamil - CBUC

Thank you
Kind regards
Glen
----------------------------
Glen de Saint Géry
GNSO Secretariat
gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://gnso.icann.org


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[1] <#_ftnref1> The BGC summarized this in the following action item at p.46: 
"Proposed Action Item: The Board requests: (i) The GNSO constituencies, with 
assistance from Staff as needed, to develop a set of participation rules and 
operating procedures, consistent with the principles outlined above, which all 
constituencies should abide by. The ICANN Board should ask the constituencies 
to develop and publicize common principles within six months; and to implement 
operating rules and procedures consistent with those principles at that time."


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