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RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meetingly
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- Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meetingly
- From: <HughesDeb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 09:25:50 -0400
All,
I have been traveling internationally for the past two weeks and I
regret missing the call last week and this week. I am about to take off
right now and I cannot call in but, for what it is worth, I support
recommending term limits for to Constituency/SG officers, Executive
Committees and Council Representatives.
I will send an email to the Task 2 team early next week with some of my
preliminary thoughts.
Debbie
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From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Rafik Dammak
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:06 AM
To: Olga Cavalli
Cc: Claudio Di Gangi; Victoria McEvedy; Gomes, Chuck; Harris, Anthony;
Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meetingly
Hi Olga,
Unfortunately, I am not going to attend today conf call, I would like to
comment the document which be reviewed, later.
just for clarification, my understanding is that we recommend term limit
for Constituency/SG officers, Executive Committees and Council
Representatives as suggested previously as compromise by Chuck. I still
believe that for such positions there will be enough candidates and
volunteers,.
Regards
Rafik
2010/4/9 Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx>
Hi,
thanks for the exchange of ideas in this list.
I encourage those who expressed different views and concepts to think of
possible texts to be included into our document.
Remember please that we have a due date to finish at least Task 1, our
goal is to review the rest of the document in our conference call
tomorrow.
Looking forward to talking to you soon.
Best regards
Olga
2010/4/8 Claudio Di Gangi <cdigangi@xxxxxxxx>
http://www.ipconstituency.org/officers.htm
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:12 AM
To: Claudio Di Gangi; Gomes, Chuck; Harris, Anthony; Rafik
Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010
Meetingly
The bylaw---which I read in detail, did not answer my questions.
I'd be happy to direct them to the secretary -who is that?
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From: Claudio Di Gangi [mailto:cdigangi@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: 08 April 2010 15:08
To: Victoria McEvedy; Gomes, Chuck; Harris, Anthony; Rafik
Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010
Meetingly
Victoria,
I refer you to the IPC bylaws:
as I indicated yesterday the Officers either put out a call for
volunteers when new issues are posted for public comment or sometimes
refer back to teams or individuals that have expressed interest in
ongoing policy issues, such as new gTLDs, RAA, and GNSO Improvements.
When submitting comments the IPC does not publish the names of
authors/contributors. Should you request additional details I refer you
to the IPC secretary.
claudio
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:49 PM
To: Claudio Di Gangi; Gomes, Chuck; Harris, Anthony; Rafik
Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010
Meetingly
How many teams are there? Could you tell us their names? How
often is membership refreshed?
I'm actually on that Committee of the Future ---there was one
call and nothing further was heard of it.
This raises the question as to where the real Policy work does
happen?
I'm afraid it seems to me that it occurs behind closed doors-in
some magic inner circle.
It is correct that a day before a submission a paper will be
circulated ---but with no briefing or discussion/explanation of the
options or reasons for strategy.
Recently and following my request -we are advised who drafted
them -but not the name of the Committees. The process of allocation of
work to a Committee is also not disclosed.
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From: Claudio Di Gangi [mailto:cdigangi@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: 07 April 2010 21:34
To: Victoria McEvedy; Gomes, Chuck; Harris, Anthony; Rafik
Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010
Meetingly
Yes, there are teams that work on ongoing policy matters &
issues. All final outcomes/work products are shared for approval within
the constituency, usually without voting. For example, the IPC has a
Committee on the Future that is responsible for issues such as GNSO
improvements, etc.
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:04 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Harris, Anthony; Claudio Di Gangi; Rafik
Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010
Meetingly
Both the NCUC and the IPC have them -I believe-based on the
tables we prepared. Perhaps Claudio can confirm as to the IPC. Its
membership and actions are not published --even within the Group.
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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 07 April 2010 20:47
To: Victoria McEvedy; Harris, Anthony; Claudio Di Gangi; Rafik
Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010
Meetingly
We are spending a lot of time talking about 'policy committees'.
I understand that within the broader GNSO context (PDP WGs, DTs, WTs).
In the case of the RySG I don't believe we have ever formed a group
called a policy committee. We often solicit volunteers to draft a first
cut of a policy statement for SG review and consideration but the whole
SG then provides input and expresses support or lack of support or
provides minority statements, all of which are recorded in any policy
statements the RySG submits. Do other SGs or Constituencies actually
have standing 'policy committees'?
Chuck
________________________________
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:28 PM
To: Harris, Anthony; Claudio Di Gangi; Gomes, Chuck;
Rafik Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March
2010 Meetingly
Thanks Tony -I don't think anyone here fails to
understand what a Policy Committee is and isn't. Again -I don't think
repeating the volunteers point improves it.
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From: Anthony Harris [mailto:harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 07 April 2010 17:56
To: Claudio Di Gangi; Victoria McEvedy; Gomes, Chuck;
Rafik Dammak
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26 March
2010 Meetingly
Claudio,
Thanks for this clear response, which I support in it's
entirety. ICANN's impressive growth since the days
of it's launching in 1999, has been possible because
interest groups were allowed leeway to self-organize
within a framework of constituencies in the manner
tha worked best for them. Rigid and bureaucratic
straightjackets have never been the norm in the
ICANN environs, and I hesitate to conclude that
this has changed today.
Two things caught my attention in the recent e-mail
exchange flow:
I noticed a certain skepticism about the question of
difficulty in unearthing volunteers in constituencies,
who would replace officers obliged to step down to
comply with term limits. Well, be as it may, this is
frequently a fact of life. Companies and entities may
be willing to participate in a constituency as members,
but not many would commit their representatives to
engage as officers (sit on Council, Stakeholder Group
Executive Committee, or Constituency Executive
Committee). The reason? Simple - hours of workload,
F2F meetings, teleconferences at unseemly hours for
some, etc.
With regards to comments that emphasize the need for
"proposed standard rules to Policy committees", perhaps
we should venture a reminder that, within a
Constituency,
an Executive Committee is not a Policy Committee, but
simply a steering group that coordinates the ongoing
functions of the Constituency, and ensures the
membership
has all due opportunities to discuss ICANN issues, and
provide consensus input to the Councillors, and as of
now
the Stakeholder Group Executive Committee, on policy
matters
as they emerge in the GNSO.
Tony Harris
----- Original Message -----
From: Claudio Di Gangi
<mailto:cdigangi@xxxxxxxx>
To: 'Victoria McEvedy'
<mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx> ; Gomes, Chuck
<mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Rafik Dammak
<mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Julie Hedlund
<mailto:julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx> ; gnso-osc-csg
<mailto:gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26
March 2010 Meetingly
I think the issue is not just limited to the
number of willing volunteers but also about the level of experience,
knowledge, understanding and expertise volunteers have of ICANN and the
evolving & complex issues under consideration. There is also the
question of the potential impact of rules restricting participation on
the effectiveness and efficiency of a group's operations, and the issue
of the right to self-determination in group's setting their own
operating rules on these issues to reflect their unique aspects,
characteristics, communities, etc. - as long as consistent with the
ICANN bylaws and the common principles the group's agree to as
identified in GNSO improvements. In this regard, a one-size-fit-all
rule on participation may produce disparate impact since the groups
represent completely different interests and communities, etc.
So while I think it may be easy to just say
impose term limits on all aspects, the impact of such rules need to be
considered against the potential need or benefit of term limits.
That's being said, we came to agreement on
setting term limits consistent with the BGC recommendations for the
executive leadership, i.e. the elected officers. In outside parlance,
term limits are often limited to the executive branch only in many
cases. For example, see efforts to impose term limits on the Congress in
the United States.
Hope helpful.
claudio
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:
victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:43 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Rafik Dammak; Claudio Di Gangi
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26
March 2010 Meetingly
Chuck -while people have talked about the
shortage of volunteers generally - this applies to all committees/and
Groups generally.
Based on objections raised on WT calls it seems
there are views that Policy Committees involve special concerns as to
transparency and now to term limits and I don't believe there has been
any real discussion on the distinguishing features of the Policy
Committees in relation to these.
Regards,
Victoria McEvedy
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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 07 April 2010 00:34
To: Victoria McEvedy; Rafik Dammak; Claudio Di
Gangi
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 26
March 2010 Meetingly
Victoria,
It is not true that reasons have not been given.
It would be more accurate to say that you disagree with the reasons that
have been given.
Chuck
________________________________
From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:
victoria@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:42 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Rafik Dammak; Claudio
Di Gangi
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg]
Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meetingly
There has been repeated objection to the
application of any proposed standard rules to Policy committees ---but
no reasons for this have been articulated and I for one do not support
their exclusion. They lie at the heart of the work of the Groups.
Victoria McEvedy
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[mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
Sent: 06 April 2010 14:33
To: Rafik Dammak; Claudio Di Gangi
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg]
Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meetingly
It may be helpful to realize that the
concept of Executive Committees is now embedded in all the SG charters
so there is a particularly significant role for these committees. Also,
the concept of Executive Committees was not previously built in to the
Constituency concept except indiviudally by some constituencies so the
BGC probably didn't directly focus on these committees when recommending
term limits.
With that understanding, a reasonable
compromise might be to apply term limits to Constituency/SG officers,
Executive Committees and Council Representatives and recommend them as a
best practice for other committees and subgroups.
Chuck
________________________________
From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:
rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:56 AM
To: Claudio Di Gangi
Cc: Gomes, Chuck; Julie Hedlund;
gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg]
Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meeting
Hi Claudio,
I am in favor of more strong wording,
best practice looks really optional and I am afraid that there won't be
willingness to apply it in groups.
for policy committees, they should be
temporary by their nature if my understanding is correct.
to apply term limit has to be applied
for executive committees.
Regards
Rafik
2010/4/6 Claudio Di Gangi <
cdigangi@xxxxxxxx>
Rafik,
thanks, i appreciate your response.
would you recommend the best practice
for term limits apply only to the group's executive committee or to
which group committees?
under what basis is that distinction
made?
claudio
________________________________________
From: Rafik Dammak [
rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:40 PM
To: Claudio Di Gangi
Cc: Gomes, Chuck; Julie Hedlund;
gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg]
Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meeting
Thanks Claudio for your explanation, but
I think that we need to improve the current situation and recommend
common best practices. I may understand that few constituencies can face
problem to have people volunteering (even if I have real doubts about
those facts), I think that those constituencies have to work internally
to improve the situation and not asking for lowering standards.
I am not sure how the WT will handle
that point, but I am clearly not in favor of what you suggest.
@Olga @Michael I think that we need to
make decision about this point and not block the on going review of the
rest of document because the tight schedule we have
Regards
Rafik
2010/4/2 Claudio Di Gangi <
cdigangi@xxxxxxxx<mailto:cdigangi@xxxxxxxx>>
Rafik,
Just to further expand on my last reply
to you:
In light of the complexities of the
issues that fall under ICANN's remit, it may be necessary or of great
value to a Group to have a volunteer serve on the executive committee or
policy committee for several consecutive terms before they have enough
experience and knowledge etc. to serve as Chair or in another similar
leadership position. That is if the Group is fortunate enough to have
such volunteers who are willing and able to dedicate the time and energy
necessary to serve in these positions in the first instance.
No matter how representative a group may
be of its community, one cannot assume that there will be endless pool
of willing volunteers to serve in these positions. On the contrary, what
likely matters more is what community or interest is being represented
by these Groups and how directly or indirectly ICANN's policies impact
them. Each group represents significantly varying interests that are
impacted by ICANN's policies is a markedly different way, so this
directly impacts participation. Therefore rules restricting
participation on committees can impact Groups very unequally, and this
is separate and aside from the issue of representativeness.
Therefore, I believe we need to thread
very carefully here. We have agreed to establishing term limits for
constituency officers, which implements the BGC recommendation we were
tasked with addressing. If groups want to expand term limits to other
areas of their operations based on their specifics, that is of course
something they are always able to do through their charters. If it's an
issue our work team feels very strongly about, then I suggest we
consider including it as a best practice.
Hope this was helpful.
claudio
From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:
rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 3:36 AM
To: Claudio Di Gangi
Cc: Gomes, Chuck; Julie Hedlund;
gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg]
Actions/Summary: 26 March 2010 Meeting
Hi Claudio,
I am confused about your suggestion as
the limit will be meaningless if it is not applied to executive
committee.
if there is fears about volunteering,
that issue is more linked to representativeness level of Group.
"but I would not extend the term limit
to policy and executive committees. This is consistent with the BGC
recommendation which we are tasked with implementing, which states:
""There should be term limits for constituency officers, so as to help
attract new members and provide everyone with the chance to participate
in leadership positions."
and after the effort done for II.8 I am
not in favor of deletion.
Regards
Rafik
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