Re: [gnso-osc] Another Attempt at a Final Response to the CCT

[Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>]

Hi,

I guess that points to my problem.  


Civility is something that people think is due to them. I.e. People should 
treat me with civility or else i will complain to the ombudsman.  

The problem being that civility is defined within a cultural milieu.  And as 
most things in ICANN the rules are not easily learned.

Tolerance on the other hand means accepting it, even when someone treats me 
with what i consider incivility.  Tolerance transcends the cultural limitation 
of civility.

Yes we should treat people with civility and should teach this by example and 
without the threatened whip of an ombudsman as the bogeyman who will get us if 
we behave with what seems to be incivility by someone.    Bringing the 
ombudsman into the internal operations of the volunteer corps seems to me to be 
a really bad idea. 

But more importantly, we should behave with tolerance where we remain civil 
even someone seems to treat us badly.

As I said, I go back to the variant of Postel's theorem as the driving mantra 
for ICANN - be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept, 
i.e. be civil but tolerant.


a.

On 6 Dec 2009, at 16:28, Vanda UOL wrote:

> For me, both, explicitly have tolerance included or just rely on the 
> Ombudsman office will work. The most important thing is really improve the 
> level of civility in writing/F2F or telephone communication or we will face a 
> drop of participation in ICANN challenging our capacity to accomplish AoC.
> Best
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> From: owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Ken Bour
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:57 PM
> To: gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx
> Cc: 'Scott Pinzon'
> Subject: [gnso-osc] Another Attempt at a Final Response to the CCT
>  
> OSC Members:
>  
> In the interest of continuing to make progress on the CCT letter, I 
> reinserted paragraph 4(a) and, following Chuck’s original suggestion, noted 
> that the OSC is not unanimous on this recommendation (see below).  All other 
> edits were accepted and comments removed (clean version attached).
>  
> For ease of reference, my suggested modification to 4(a) follows... is this 
> language be acceptable to everyone?
> a)      Executive Summary Recommendations (last bullet point) and 2.5.7 
> Degradation in Civility
> Recommendation:  “Encourage the understanding of opposing perspectives, while 
> maintaining a spirit of cooperation and civility”
> Comment:  Civility is clearly called for in ICANN’s Expected Standards of 
> Behavior (see Section F); however, as the organization begins to incorporate 
> more diverse cultures, some members of the OSC believe that increasing our 
> tolerance of others is also important.  Would the CCT consider a modification 
> to the recommendation, such as, "…maintaining a spirit of cooperation, 
> civility and tolerance”?  Note: The OSC is not unanimous on this 
> recommendation.  While some members would like to see “tolerance” added 
> explicitly, others believe that the ICANN code satisfactorily embraces this 
> concept (e.g. third bullet beginning with TREAT) and that the GNSO should 
> adopt the standards as written or seek to have them amended officially by 
> working through the ICANN Ombudsman office.
>  
> Ken Bour
>  
> From: owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Philip Sheppard
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:16 AM
> To: gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: FW: [gnso-osc] Final response to the CCT
>  
> Chuck, yes indeed  apologies.
> It should read:
> Robin,
> I do not understand your comment that the Ombudsman principles fail to 
> address tolerance.
> See below especially paragraphs I've highlighted in blue (bullet 3,4, 5 and 
> 6).Isn't bullet 3 a definition of tolerance?
> 
>  
> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:08 PM
> To: Philip Sheppard; gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-osc] Final response to the CCT
> 
> Philip,
>  
> Did you man bullet 3?
>  
> Chuck
>  
> From: owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Philip Sheppard
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:07 AM
> To: gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-osc] Final response to the CCT
> 
> Robin,
> I do not understand your comment that the Ombudsman principles fail to 
> address tolerance.
> See below especially paragraphs I've highlighted in blue (bullet 4,5, 6 and 
> 7).Isn't bullet 4 a definition of tolerance?
> 
> http://www.icann.org/en/transparency/acct-trans-frameworks-principles-10jan08.pdf
> Philip
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> F. ICANN EXPECTED STANDARDS OF BEHAVIOR
> Those who take part in ICANN multi-stakeholder process including Board, staff 
> and all those involved
> in Supporting Organization and Advisory Committee councils undertake to:
> • Act in accordance with ICANN’s Bylaws. In particular, participants 
> undertake to act within the
> mission of ICANN and in the spirit of the values contained in the Bylaws.
> • Adhere to the conflict of interest policy laid out in the Bylaws.
> • Treat all members of the ICANN community equally, irrespective of 
> nationality, gender, racial
> or ethnic origin, religion or beliefs, disability, age, or sexual 
> orientation; members of the ICANN
> community should treat each other with civility both face to face and online.
> • Act in a reasonable and informed manner when participating in policy 
> development and
> decision-making processes. This includes regularly attending all scheduled 
> meetings and
> exercising independent judgment based solely on what is in the overall best 
> interest of Internet
> users and the stability and security of the Internet’s system of unique 
> identifiers, irrespective of
> personal interests and the interests of the entity to which an individual 
> might owe their
> appointment.
> • Listen to the views of all stakeholders when considering policy issues. 
> ICANN is a unique
> multi-stakeholder environment. Those who take part in the ICANN process must 
> acknowledge
> the importance of all stakeholders and seek to understand their points of 
> view.
> • Work to build consensus with other stakeholders in order to find solutions 
> to the issues that
> fall within the areas of ICANN’s responsibility. The ICANN model is based on 
> a bottom-up,
> consensus driven approach to policy development. Those who take part in the 
> ICANN process
> must take responsibility for ensuring the success of the model by trying to 
> build consensus with
> other participants.
> • Act in accordance with ICANN policies.
> • Protect the organization’s assets and ensure their efficient and effective 
> use.
> • Act fairly and in good faith with other participants in the ICANN process.
>