Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and blackout

[Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

We are using the shorthand "blackout" to mean that nothing works as 
it originally did. We have not been very specific as yet.  A typical 
implementation right now is that it resolves to a new site that has a 
port 80 splash screen of some sort (often with an expiration notice 
and often monetized) and other ports time-out. Everything timing out 
or perhaps not resolving are probably other implementations.
Alan

At 20/01/2011 12:42 PM, MICHAEL YOUNG wrote:
> Clarification? Does blackout include cases where there is only a 
> port 80 redirect (other DNS records (IE MX) remain as is)? Or is it 
> defined as no DNS resolution whatsoever?
> Michael Young
>
> From: Marika Konings 
> <<mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:38:01 -0800
> To: Alan Greenberg 
> <<mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>, PEDNR 
> <<mailto:gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal 
> period and blackout
> As an additional clarification, there is no requirement to blackout 
> unless/until the registrar no longer wants to guarantee ability to renew.
> Marika
>
> From: Marika Konings 
> <<mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:02:46 -0800
> To: Alan Greenberg 
> <<mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>, PEDNR 
> <<mailto:gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal 
> period and blackout
> In an attempt to facilitate the discussion, I've tried to clarify 
> the proposal that Alan submitted to the list as it seems that there 
> is some confusion as to what actually has been proposed. So here it goes:
> Proposal (as made by Alan): The domain name will be renewable by the 
> RAE for a period of no less than 10 full days after expiration, but 
> in all cases for at least 8 full days after the domain name is 
> blacked out. This notwithstanding, the Registrar may Delete the name 
> at any time after expiration and prior to renewal by the RAE.
> What would this mean in practice?
>    * Any registrant would have the possibility to recover its 
> domain name registration following expiration for a period of at least 10 days
>    * If and when a registrar blacks out the domain name 
> registration, the RAE should have at least have 8 full days to 
> recover the domain name registration. Please note that this is not 
> a requirement to black out the domain name registration. Only if 
> and when a registrar to decides to black out a domain name 
> registration, this provision would be applicable. The assumption is 
> that if all other warnings have failed to reach or attract the 
> attention of the RAE, the blacking out might be the only thing that 
> would attract the attention and warn the RAE that the domain name 
> registration has expired.
>    * A registrar can delete the name at any point after expiration 
> so that the name enters the Redemption Grace Period
>    * Based on the results of the registrar survey, the impact would 
> appear to be minimal as many registrars already offer more than 10 
> days following expiration for a registrant to recover his/her 
> domain name registration and do at some point in time black out the 
> registration (again, under the proposal, blacking out would not be 
> a requirement.)
> Rationale:
>    * Provide transparency and predictability with regard to the 
> minimum level of opportunity any registrant will have to recover 
> their domain name registration following expiration
>    * Avoid unintentional loss of a domain name registration
>    * Respect different practices of registrars and ensure minimal 
> (or no) impact on existing business practices
> Hopefully this will help bring back the discussion to the actual proposal.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 17/01/11 06:38, "Alan Greenberg" 
> <<mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> As discussed during our last meeting, here is a proposal that may
> satisfy the needs of registrars while still meeting the "blackout"
> requirement that many users feel is needed.
>
> Note that I personally am still not accepting the 10-day period
> proposed by James, but I am interested in trying to close the other
> differences that we have and perhaps this proposal will help move us
> in the right direction.
>
> I have thought about this proposal a fair amount since our meeting,
> and what follows is a bit different from what I proposed then. This
> difference, I believe, will allow it to be acceptable to all without
> the need for any exceptions. For brevity, I am using the term
> "blackout" to refer to the redirection or unavailability of port 80
> traffic, and the lack of any response on all other ports.
>
> ****
>
> The domain name will be renewable by the RAE for a period of no less
> than 10 full days after expiration, but in all cases for at least 8
> full days after the domain name is blacked out. This notwithstanding,
> the Registrar may Delete the name at any time after expiration and
> prior to renewal by the RAE.
>
> ****
>
> Examples:
>
> - A registrar that blacks out the domain soon after expiration must
> provide only 10 days.
> - A registrar who chooses to give 30 days grace before blackout must
> provide 38 days total.
> - A registrar who chooses to give a registrant 6 months grace (for
> whatever reason) can do so, but they must still blackout the name
> prior to making it no longer renewable by the RAE.
> - A registrar who wants to delete the name at any time once it has
> expired and has not been renewed by the RAE may do so without notice
> or delete. It will then go into the 30 day RGP. This will be true
> during the 45 day ARGP or during the period that follows (assuming
> the registrar has accepted the registry renewal but has still not had
> the RAE renew his/her contract with the registrar.
>
> I look forward to hearing comments on this.
>
> Alan