Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and blackout

[MICHAEL YOUNG <myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ok thanks for the prompt reply Alan, so let me see if I understand this
correctly with a little walk through here.

One recommendation is to ensure the domain is retrievable by the registrant
for 10 days after expiry.

Another recommendation is to ensure the that "if" the domain is darkened
during the auto-renew grace period, it must be retrievable by the registrant
for 8 days after darkening.

If I were a registrar then, and my practise was to "darken" the domain
sometime after expiry but before deletion, then to comply with both of these
recommendations I would have to "darken" the domain by the end of the second
day following expiration, to darken it later would violate one of these
recommendations.

Was that really the intention, to drive that type of behaviour?  From the
statistics I have seen, I am not seeing any obvious benefit that will assist
a typical registrant by forcing darkening practises to be initiated the
second day after expiration,???..

Am I missing another element here?

Thanks

Michael



From:  Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
Date:  Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:10:32 -0500
To:  MICHAEL YOUNG <myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Marika Konings
<marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>, PEDNR <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject:  Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period
and blackout

We are using the shorthand "blackout" to mean that nothing works as it
originally did. We have not been very specific as yet. A typical
implementation right now is that it resolves to a new site that has a port
80 splash screen of some sort (often with an expiration notice and often
monetized) and other ports time-out. Everything timing out or perhaps not
resolving are probably other implementations.

Alan

At 20/01/2011 12:42 PM, MICHAEL YOUNG wrote:
> Clarification? Does blackout include cases where there is only a port 80
> redirect (other DNS records (IE MX) remain as is)? Or is it defined as no DNS
> resolution whatsoever?
> 
> Michael Young
> 
> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx >
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:38:01 -0800
> To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx >, PEDNR <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and
> blackout
> 
> As an additional clarification, there is no requirement to blackout
> unless/until the registrar no longer wants to guarantee ability to renew.
> 
> Marika
> 
> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx >
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:02:46 -0800
> To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx >, PEDNR <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and
> blackout
> 
> In an attempt to facilitate the discussion, I've tried to clarify the proposal
> that Alan submitted to the list as it seems that there is some confusion as to
> what actually has been proposed. So here it goes:
> 
> Proposal (as made by Alan): The domain name will be renewable by the RAE for a
> period of no less than 10 full days after expiration, but in all cases for at
> least 8 full days after the domain name is blacked out. This notwithstanding,
> the Registrar may Delete the name at any time after expiration and prior to
> renewal by the RAE.
> 
> What would this mean in practice?
> * Any registrant would have the possibility to recover its domain name
> registration following expiration for a period of at least 10 days
> * If and when a registrar blacks out the domain name registration, the RAE
> should have at least have 8 full days to recover the domain name registration.
> Please note that this is not a requirement to black out the domain name
> registration. Only if and when a registrar to decides to black out a domain
> name registration, this provision would be applicable. The assumption is that
> if all other warnings have failed to reach or attract the attention of the
> RAE, the blacking out might be the only thing that would attract the attention
> and warn the RAE that the domain name registration has expired.
> * A registrar can delete the name at any point after expiration so that the
> name enters the Redemption Grace Period
> * Based on the results of the registrar survey, the impact would appear to be
> minimal as many registrars already offer more than 10 days following
> expiration for a registrant to recover his/her domain name registration and do
> at some point in time black out the registration (again, under the proposal,
> blacking out would not be a requirement.)
> Rationale:
> * Provide transparency and predictability with regard to the minimum level of
> opportunity any registrant will have to recover their domain name registration
> following expiration
> * Avoid unintentional loss of a domain name registration
> * Respect different practices of registrars and ensure minimal (or no) impact
> on existing business practices
> Hopefully this will help bring back the discussion to the actual proposal.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Marika
> 
> On 17/01/11 06:38, "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
> 
> 
> As discussed during our last meeting, here is a proposal that may
> satisfy the needs of registrars while still meeting the "blackout"
> requirement that many users feel is needed.
> 
> Note that I personally am still not accepting the 10-day period
> proposed by James, but I am interested in trying to close the other
> differences that we have and perhaps this proposal will help move us
> in the right direction.
> 
> I have thought about this proposal a fair amount since our meeting,
> and what follows is a bit different from what I proposed then. This
> difference, I believe, will allow it to be acceptable to all without
> the need for any exceptions. For brevity, I am using the term
> "blackout" to refer to the redirection or unavailability of port 80
> traffic, and the lack of any response on all other ports.
> 
> ****
> 
> The domain name will be renewable by the RAE for a period of no less
> than 10 full days after expiration, but in all cases for at least 8
> full days after the domain name is blacked out. This notwithstanding,
> the Registrar may Delete the name at any time after expiration and
> prior to renewal by the RAE.
> 
> ****
> 
> Examples:
> 
> - A registrar that blacks out the domain soon after expiration must
> provide only 10 days.
> - A registrar who chooses to give 30 days grace before blackout must
> provide 38 days total.
> - A registrar who chooses to give a registrant 6 months grace (for
> whatever reason) can do so, but they must still blackout the name
> prior to making it no longer renewable by the RAE.
> - A registrar who wants to delete the name at any time once it has
> expired and has not been renewed by the RAE may do so without notice
> or delete. It will then go into the 30 day RGP. This will be true
> during the 45 day ARGP or during the period that follows (assuming
> the registrar has accepted the registry renewal but has still not had
> the RAE renew his/her contract with the registrar.
> 
> I look forward to hearing comments on this.
> 
> Alan
>