Re: [gnso-stability-thickwhois] Escrow & Stability

[Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Mikey, I am sure that you meant your closing line 
as humour, but it is actually very relevant. We 
do not need to worry about bootleg copies of the 
MP3 being sold, because it will already be out 
there, for free, for anyone to download. And even 
re-distribute for free if they wish. Just like thin Whois data!.
Alan

At 29/01/2013 08:49 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:
> hi all,
>
> first, a disclaimer.  i have a spectacular cold, 
> which has reduced my brain to pudding and my 
> voice to a sound-effect.  you'll get to enjoy 
> both on the call that's coming up in an hour or so.
> but here are a couple thoughts that i'll be pushing on the call today.
>
> first, in response to Alan's first line ("i'm at 
> a bit of a loss as to how we're going to proceed")…
> i think what we have been presented in these 
> comments is a series of really good puzzles to 
> solve.  when confronting a series of puzzles 
> several "first steps" come to mind:
> - identify the puzzles
>
> - identify people and/or techniques that can 
> break the puzzles into bite-sized pieces, and help us solve them
>
> in response to Jeff's "risks" comment…
>
> i think some of the puzzles that we've been 
> presented *are* risks -- and in that case "risk 
> assessment" is one of the techniques that we 
> might apply to work through the puzzle.  i would 
> be cautious about characterizing risks as 
> "so-called" at this point.  one of the 
> components of our risk-assessment (if that's the 
> technique we choose to use) could be to estimate 
> the likelihood of the events and the impact of 
> the events.  some of the likelihoods could be 
> low, but the impact could be big.  they're still 
> real and legitimate topics of conversation and analysis, in my view.
> see?  i told you.  weird things happen when i 
> mix the yellow and blue pills when treating a cold.  :-)
> see you soon.  bootleg copies of the MP3 audio 
> transcript will be available for sale shortly after the call ends.
> mikey
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:16 PM, "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > I would like to understand a little bit more 
> about the so-called risks.  .biz and .info have 
> been thick for over a decade without any 
> incident from an escrow or stability 
> standpoint.  .org has been thick for about 8 or 
> 9 years with no incident.  .us and a number of 
> other cctlds have been thick for quite some time...again no incident.
> >
> > We need to engage a little more in some fact 
> based decision making and not cater to the 
> philosophical fears that have never arisen.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Jeffrey J. Neuman
> >
> > Sent from iPad.  Please excuse any typos.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:         Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 06:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > To:   gnso-stability-thickwhois@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject:      Re: [gnso-stability-thickwhois] Escrow & Stability
> >
> > I am at a bit of a loss as to how we are going to proceed.
> >
> > On the questions of benefits of having two repositories and two
> > escrows, all parties agree that it would be good, but NCUC, NPOC and
> > Verisign feel that there are risks or problems associated with both
> > registrars and registries housing data that outweigh the benefits.
> > NPOC's position is that if things are run well, extra copies are not
> > needed. It is not clear how to ensure that things are run well.
> >
> > On the question of whether registrar escrow is needed IF we have all
> > thick registries, all parties that answered think that registrar
> > escrow should be kept, but some of the answers seem to imply "we
> > don't want thick so therefore registrar escrow still needed".
> >
> > I am attaching an extract of the comment template for our questions
> > with my short-hand summaries in column D. Feel free to add your own.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > At 15/01/2013 09:56 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> >
> >> I am afraid that I have had to focus on other issues until now, but
> >> given that stakeholder input is just now arriving, this is probably
> >> a good time to start work in earnest.
> >>
> >> The members of this sub-group are:
> >> .        Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
> >> .        Carolyn Hoover (RySG)
> >> .        Tim Ruiz (RrSG)
> >> .        Jeff Neuman (RySG)
> >> .        Christopher E George (IPC)
> >> .        Frederic Guillemaut (RrSG)
> >>
> >> As I understand it, we are looking at two issues:
> >>
> >> - Stability, with a focus on the implications and requirements of
> >> having multiple repositories of Whois data.
> >> - Data Escrow document what is done and investigate if any changes
> >> are required or recommended.
> >>
> >> I suggest the following for our work-plan:
> >>
> >> 1. Discussion and enhancement (if applicable) of topics to be
> >> addressed - on list.
> >> 2. Individual review of stakeholder input.
> >> 3. Schedule a call to to discuss issues.
> >> 4. Draft summary/report
> >>
> >> Comments?
> >>
> >> Alan
> >
>
>
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