Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] PIR report on transition to thick Whois for .org

[Don Blumenthal <dblumenthal@xxxxxxx>]

Steve,

Good questions. I will check with PIR HQ folks on 2. Answers to 1, and maybe 
to, ultimately would be in the hands of the Afilias (now and previous) members 
of the experts team.

Don

From: <Metalitz>, Steven Metalitz <met@xxxxxxx<mailto:met@xxxxxxx>>
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:21 PM
To: Thick Thin PDP 
<gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] PIR report on transition to thick Whois for 
.org


Re:  PIR Appendix U report
I hope everyone is enjoying a pleasant last week of 2013.  I spent a bit of it 
reviewing this report (posted as a reference document on our wiki, see 
https://community.icann.org/display/PDP/8.+Reference+Documents),  and I had a 
couple of questions that those in our group who were involved with the 
transition of .org to a thick Whois structure back in 2003 might be able to 
answer.  If not, perhaps these could be referred to the team of experts from 
that transition, which I gather is in the process of being assembled.
1.  On page 29 (section 2.2.1), PIR was required to report on “discrepancies 
between Whois data provided by the Registrar and the Whois data in the Registry 
Operator’s Whois database after the migration of the Registrar to the thick EPP 
model.”  The report indicates that there were no such discrepancies.
Does this mean that (to PIR’s knowledge) there were no differences between the 
Whois data held by registrars and that held by the registry, at least through 
June 2004, when the report was filed?  If so this could be a significant data 
point for our working group.  (For example, in our “authoritativeness” subgroup 
this question of discrepancies between registrar and registry Whois data has 
already been raised.)  Or does this section of the report  refer to something 
else?
2.  Part 3 of the report (page 30) consists of a table on “Centralized Whois 
Complaints,” and indicates that few such complaints were received during 2003 
(the period during which the transition to thick Whois for .org took place).  
According to the table, only six of such complaints received by PIR during the 
year were “relating to privacy issues.”
This part of the report (and see also 
http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/registries/org/registry-agmt-appu-23oct02-en.htm,
 which specifies what this report is to contain) was apparently supposed to be 
submitted annually (“no later than one month after each anniversary date after 
the Commencement-of-Service date”).  I have not been able to locate on the 
ICANN site any such reports submitted later than June 2004.  Does anyone know 
if this was done and if so where the reports can be found?  Once again this 
could be a valuable data point about the experience of a large registry moving 
to thick Whois and the impact on privacy as well as other aspects.
Thanks in advance for any insights you can provide!
Steve Metalitz