Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Dangers and risks of thick Whois

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Avri,
> As I understand it, in a thick whois, the Registrar would be forced to pass all 
> that information to the Registry.  At this point they don't need to.
I understand it differently. in the thick model, the registrar passes
the information currently in the whois to the registry. That would be
either the registrants true data or the privacy services' data,
depending if such a service is activated. So the data transferred would
not be different from the data displayed publicly right now.

Best,

Volker
> So the information will then be transferred from one national jurisdiction to 
> another.  And those jurisdictions could have a very different treatment of that 
> private information.  That jurisdictional shift is the crux of the problem.
>
> To the group: Apologies for making Rick so very angry at me.
>
> avri
>
>
>
> On 29 Jan 2013, at 10:39, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
> > I agree on all of these principles, but do not understand the relevance to 
> > thick/thin Whois model. Why does the registry holding a copy of the data WHICH 
> > IS ALREADY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE alter anything? Privacy is still protected by the 
> > original registrar or proxy provider based on the laws in their jurisdiction.
> >
> > An organization that works on gay issues can register in a country and with a 
> > registrar that will hide their identity under multiple levels and will even defend a 
> > UDRP if necessary, without unmasking the original registrant". All that will 
> > show up in the registry database is the top proxy provider - exactly what the 
> > registrar would show in its Whois output in the thin model.
> >
> > I do note that as alluded to above, that most proxy providers will unmask the 
> > original registrant as soon as a UDRP is filed, even if that UDRP might have 
> > little merit. And even if the UDRP is lost, the original registrant's name will 
> > be published in the public report on the UDRP. I have never heard of anyone 
> > fighting to change that rule!
> >
> > Alan

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