Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Dangers and risks of thick Whois

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ah, that is a misconception, Alan. Just because the data is publicly 
available does not make it less private. The individual to whom the data 
belonds may have agreed to certain uses of his private data, such as 
transmission to a registry or publication in the whois, but in the end 
it remains his own private data, in his sole ownership and he may 
request deletion of that data at any time (which may cost him the domain 
name, or the fees of a privacy provider, of course).
Owenership of your own private data is very well regulated over here. ;-)

Best,

Volker
> The data passed to the registry is the same data that the registrar 
> would make fully public in Whois.
> Yes, the information may be transferred to another jurisdiction. and 
> that jurisdiction may treat PRIVATE information differently. If a 
> thick whois required a registrar to transfer PRIVATE information, it 
> could be an issue. But there is *NO* private data involved in this 
> transfer. So how that target jurisdiction treats private information 
> does not impact this discussion.
> Alan
>
> At 29/01/2013 01:51 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > As I understand it, in a thick whois, the Registrar would be forced 
> > to pass all that information to the Registry.  At this point they 
> > don't need to.
> > So the information will then be transferred from one national 
> > jurisdiction to another.  And those jurisdictions could have a very 
> > different treatment of that private information.  That jurisdictional 
> > shift is the crux of the problem.
> > To the group: Apologies for making Rick so very angry at me.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 Jan 2013, at 10:39, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I agree on all of these principles, but do not understand the 
> > relevance to thick/thin Whois model. Why does the registry holding a 
> > copy of the data WHICH IS ALREADY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE alter anything? 
> > Privacy is still protected by the original registrar or proxy 
> > provider based on the laws in their jurisdiction.
> > >
> > > An organization that works on gay issues can register in a country 
> > and with a registrar that will hide their identity under multiple 
> > levels and will even defend a UDRP if necessary, without unmasking 
> > the original registrant". All that will show up in the registry 
> > database is the top proxy provider - exactly what the registrar would 
> > show in its Whois output in the thin model.
> > >
> > > I do note that as alluded to above, that most proxy providers will 
> > unmask the original registrant as soon as a UDRP is filed, even if 
> > that UDRP might have little merit. And even if the UDRP is lost, the 
> > original registrant's name will be published in the public report on 
> > the UDRP. I have never heard of anyone fighting to change that rule!
> > >
> > > Alan

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