Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Dangers and risks of thick Whois

[Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Touché. But my incorrect use of the terminology 
does not, I think, alter the basic issue.
And if a registrar has set expectations that by 
deleting the domain name, the "private" data will 
disappear, they are doing a disservice to their 
customers. That data will live on forever in Whois archives around the world.
Alan

At 30/01/2013 09:08 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
> Ah, that is a misconception, Alan. Just because 
> the data is publicly available does not make it 
> less private. The individual to whom the data 
> belonds may have agreed to certain uses of his 
> private data, such as transmission to a registry 
> or publication in the whois, but in the end it 
> remains his own private data, in his sole 
> ownership and he may request deletion of that 
> data at any time (which may cost him the domain 
> name, or the fees of a privacy provider, of course).
> Owenership of your own private data is very well regulated over here. ;-)
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
> > The data passed to the registry is the same 
> > data that the registrar would make fully public in Whois.
> > Yes, the information may be transferred to 
> > another jurisdiction. and that jurisdiction may 
> > treat PRIVATE information differently. If a 
> > thick whois required a registrar to transfer 
> > PRIVATE information, it could be an issue. But 
> > there is *NO* private data involved in this 
> > transfer. So how that target jurisdiction 
> > treats private information does not impact this discussion.
> > Alan
> >
> > At 29/01/2013 01:51 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As I understand it, in a thick whois, the 
> > > Registrar would be forced to pass all that 
> > > information to the Registry.  At this point they don't need to.
> > > So the information will then be transferred 
> > > from one national jurisdiction to 
> > > another.  And those jurisdictions could have a 
> > > very different treatment of that private 
> > > information.  That jurisdictional shift is the crux of the problem.
> > > To the group: Apologies for making Rick so very angry at me.
> > >
> > > avri
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 Jan 2013, at 10:39, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree on all of these principles, but do 
> > > not understand the relevance to thick/thin 
> > > Whois model. Why does the registry holding a 
> > > copy of the data WHICH IS ALREADY PUBLICLY 
> > > AVAILABLE alter anything? Privacy is still 
> > > protected by the original registrar or proxy 
> > > provider based on the laws in their jurisdiction.
> > > >
> > > > An organization that works on gay issues 
> > > can register in a country and with a 
> > > registrar that will hide their identity under 
> > > multiple levels and will even defend a UDRP 
> > > if necessary, without unmasking the original 
> > > registrant". All that will show up in the 
> > > registry database is the top proxy provider - 
> > > exactly what the registrar would show in its Whois output in the thin model.
> > > >
> > > > I do note that as alluded to above, that 
> > > most proxy providers will unmask the original 
> > > registrant as soon as a UDRP is filed, even 
> > > if that UDRP might have little merit. And 
> > > even if the UDRP is lost, the original 
> > > registrant's name will be published in the 
> > > public report on the UDRP. I have never heard 
> > > of anyone fighting to change that rule!
> > > >
> > > > Alan
>
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