RE: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Thick Whois Final Report for consensus call

["Balleste, Roy" <rballeste@xxxxxxx>]

Thank you Avri.

I guess it all boils down to the language of the conclusion of our report.  The 
sub-group (thanks Don) helped to bring to the discussion the issues behind 
privacy.  That language was included in our report.  However, I agree with Avri 
that the overall report, in the conclusion, fails to delineate privacy 
concerns.  That is why the recommendation was proposed, and is needed.  Whether 
you judge privacy issues as relevant or not, we have,to decide the following:

1.  Do we include a recommendation?  If the answer is no, then I will not 
recommend that the NCSG endorse it.  I will definitely not.
2. If we do include a recommendation, then we still need to finalize the 
language?  This may get us to full consensus (and we are probably getting close 
in this option).
I do not see any language in our Charter that prevent us from including a 
recommendation.

Roy

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From: owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx 
<owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:00 AM
To: Mike O'Connor
Cc: Thick Whois WG
Subject: Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] Thick Whois Final Report for consensus call

Hi,

On 18 Sep 2013, at 09:09, Mike O'Connor wrote:

> we have one remaining issue to work through, which i'm hoping we can work 
> through this week on the list or on our next call.  look for some email from 
> Avri on that.


Well, I guess I don't see any changes yet i the docs and am not really sure 
what this group is going to allow to happen.

I beleive that 7.1 should contain a recommendation for an issues report.

As I understand I have people rather pointedly and forcefully telling me:

- "We don't have the scope to Recommend an issue report"* - this i just don't 
understand - every WG has the scope to recommend an issue report on further 
work it did not feel scoped or qualified to do.  Also, legal opinion is usually 
delivered in the context of issues reports and WG requests.

- "We need more legal advice before we can contemplate policy" - and it the 
staff writing the issues report agrees with this, they will say so and the 
issues report will serve to kick of that work.

- "We had a sub-group and we agreed, so please stop going for a second bite of 
the apple -  it is improper MSM* behavior" -  My impression of WG process had 
always been that a sub-group discusses in detail and then this is subjected to 
a full WG discussion and later, after the comment resolution period, a 
consensus call.  I consider that the appropriate times for last bites at the 
apple are during the consensus call, when the council votes on whether proper 
process was followed in the WG to determine consensus and whether the 
recommendations should go forward based on the WG having done its job properly, 
and during the final comment period before the Board makes it decision.  I 
promise I will not be contacting my congressmen once the Council and then the 
Board approve the recommendation asking for a yet another congressional hearing.

- "Not everyone thinks that the privacy issues are as important and critical as 
you do. And not everyone understands the facts of the case in the same way you 
do."  - Well, ummmm, sure, ok.

So it seems I will not get the minimum I think is necessary, i.e. there will be 
no Recommendation for an issues report in the Recommendations section of the 
report.  the compromise being offered is less than what I consider minimal.

But on this issue, one where I felt  the work and issues my colleagues brought 
up were being given short shrift, having brought the issue to discussion and 
having collected the viewpoint of many in the group, I am willing to defer to 
those colleagues.  Current indications inform me the compromise offered will be 
forever be less than I think is necessary and I may add public comments to that 
effect in the public comment and in the NCSG Policy Committee discussions.  But 
if my NCSG colleagues indicate they can live with the compromise that is being 
offered, I will acquiesce for the purposes of this working group and will not 
file a solo dissenting report.

avri

* all 'quotes' my approximations of the comments being directed my way
* MSM - Multistakeholder model