Re: [Fwd: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Travel drafting team mailing list open]

[Ken Stubbs <kstubbs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ken Stubbs wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, some recipients never even attempted to 
show or even claim "need".
They just made the claim that they complied with ICANN policy and never 
explained how they complied (where is the transparency there?)
that is beyond "giggle" approaching "laugher"

I would expect a certain amount of "lobbying" as it is just human 
nature. The principle difference is the appearance of  ability to leverage
is significantly less with a body independent of council activities.

I would assume that the committee would be capable of developing 
guidelines  for  requests that would be consistent with ICANN policies 
developed
for travel subsidization.

Ken Stubbs
BTW...I would be inclined to believe that the the former chairman of 
Lehman ($300+millions in compensation over the last 5 years) would most 
probably not qualify for subsidy  ......
nor would Bill Gates...



Avri Doria wrote:
> On 9 Oct 2008, at 12:32, Tim Ruiz wrote:
>
> > If we have to resort to random selection or giggle tests, then we have
> > no business accepting the funds.
>
> I personally see no relation between the utility of a random method of 
> selecting after the constituencies are determined their priorities and 
> the notion of meriting support for council member travel.
> >  Ken's ideas are the best way
> > forward, or at least a good start,
>
> Can you explain how his ideas would work in a way that was assuredly 
> unbiased and objective?
> Some questions that immediately occur to me:
>
> How would you eliminate the ability of someone to put pressure on one 
> of those selected for this independent committee?  What does it mean 
> for there to be an independent committee within ICANN?  Can members of 
> GNSO constituencies serve on this independent committee?  How are 
> these committee members chosen?   Is their work transparent?
>
> As for getting beyond the giggle test in determining need, how does 
> one do that.  What sort of verification of someone's need will be 
> required?  The get a loan for my daughter's college i had to prove 
> need and todo so had to fill out the FAFSA ( see 
> http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/before012.htm for a sample worksheet).  Are 
> you suggesting something similar.  If not, how do you prove need?
> Or, how do we define need?  If I were a millionaire, but had no 
> employer to send me would I be in need of support?  If I have an 
> employer, but they are in bankruptcy proceedings, do I have need?
> I believe these and many other similar questions would need to be 
> answered for there to be an objective set of criteria that could not 
> be gamed or be subjected to influence.
>
> a.
>
> note: for those who may not know the giggle test.  Basically someone 
> says "I have need", and if they can say it without most people 
> starting to giggle, then that need statement i accepted.
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