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Re: [Fwd: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Travel drafting team mailing list open]

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  • Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Travel drafting team mailing list open]
  • From: Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:53:48 -0700

We need to agree to what our over-arching objective is here.

We are not creating some new general "GNSO travel fund" that anyone can apply for travel funds to attend an ICANN meeting, and if they are poor enough, they get to go. This has been, and in my mind should continue to be, an effort to fund the participation of the GNSO Council at GSNO Council meetings.

The depth of the pockets of the individual councilors is not relevant. We are funding the participation of an ICANN organ (GNSO Council) - not specific people.


On Oct 9, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Ken Stubbs wrote:

Ken Stubbs wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, some recipients never even attempted to show or even claim "need". They just made the claim that they complied with ICANN policy and never explained how they complied (where is the transparency there?)

that is beyond "giggle" approaching "laugher"

I would expect a certain amount of "lobbying" as it is just human nature. The principle difference is the appearance of ability to leverage
is significantly less with a body independent of council activities.

I would assume that the committee would be capable of developing guidelines for requests that would be consistent with ICANN policies developed
for travel subsidization.

Ken Stubbs
BTW...I would be inclined to believe that the the former chairman of Lehman ($300+millions in compensation over the last 5 years) would most probably not qualify for subsidy ......
nor would Bill Gates...

Avri Doria wrote:

On 9 Oct 2008, at 12:32, Tim Ruiz wrote:

If we have to resort to random selection or giggle tests, then we have
no business accepting the funds.

I personally see no relation between the utility of a random method of selecting after the constituencies are determined their priorities and the notion of meriting support for council member travel.

 Ken's ideas are the best way
forward, or at least a good start,

Can you explain how his ideas would work in a way that was assuredly unbiased and objective?

Some questions that immediately occur to me:

How would you eliminate the ability of someone to put pressure on one of those selected for this independent committee? What does it mean for there to be an independent committee within ICANN? Can members of GNSO constituencies serve on this independent committee? How are these committee members chosen? Is their work transparent?

As for getting beyond the giggle test in determining need, how does one do that. What sort of verification of someone's need will be required? The get a loan for my daughter's college i had to prove need and todo so had to fill out the FAFSA ( see http:// www.fafsa.ed.gov/before012.htm for a sample worksheet). Are you suggesting something similar. If not, how do you prove need?

Or, how do we define need? If I were a millionaire, but had no employer to send me would I be in need of support? If I have an employer, but they are in bankruptcy proceedings, do I have need?

I believe these and many other similar questions would need to be answered for there to be an objective set of criteria that could not be gamed or be subjected to influence.


note: for those who may not know the giggle test. Basically someone says "I have need", and if they can say it without most people starting to giggle, then that need statement i accepted.

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