Re: [Fwd: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Travel drafting team mailing list open]

[Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

We need to agree to what our over-arching objective is here.

We are not creating some new general "GNSO travel fund" that anyone  
can apply for travel funds to attend an ICANN meeting, and if they  
are poor enough, they get to go.   This has been, and in my mind  
should continue to be, an effort to fund the participation of the  
GNSO Council at GSNO Council meetings.
The depth of the pockets of the individual councilors is not  
relevant.   We are funding the participation of an ICANN organ (GNSO  
Council) - not specific people.
Robin


On Oct 9, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Ken Stubbs wrote:

> Ken Stubbs wrote:
>
> To the best of my knowledge, some recipients never even attempted  
> to show or even claim "need".
> They just made the claim that they complied with ICANN policy and  
> never explained how they complied (where is the transparency there?)
> that is beyond "giggle" approaching "laugher"
>
> I would expect a certain amount of "lobbying" as it is just human  
> nature. The principle difference is the appearance of  ability to  
> leverage
> is significantly less with a body independent of council activities.
>
> I would assume that the committee would be capable of developing  
> guidelines  for  requests that would be consistent with ICANN  
> policies developed
> for travel subsidization.
>
> Ken Stubbs
> BTW...I would be inclined to believe that the the former chairman  
> of Lehman ($300+millions in compensation over the last 5 years)  
> would most probably not qualify for subsidy  ......
> nor would Bill Gates...
>
>
>
> Avri Doria wrote:
> > On 9 Oct 2008, at 12:32, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> >
> > > If we have to resort to random selection or giggle tests, then we  
> > > have
> > > no business accepting the funds.
> >
> > I personally see no relation between the utility of a random  
> > method of selecting after the constituencies are determined their  
> > priorities and the notion of meriting support for council member  
> > travel.
> > >  Ken's ideas are the best way
> > > forward, or at least a good start,
> >
> > Can you explain how his ideas would work in a way that was  
> > assuredly unbiased and objective?
> > Some questions that immediately occur to me:
> >
> > How would you eliminate the ability of someone to put pressure on  
> > one of those selected for this independent committee?  What does  
> > it mean for there to be an independent committee within ICANN?   
> > Can members of GNSO constituencies serve on this independent  
> > committee?  How are these committee members chosen?   Is their  
> > work transparent?
> >
> > As for getting beyond the giggle test in determining need, how  
> > does one do that.  What sort of verification of someone's need  
> > will be required?  The get a loan for my daughter's college i had  
> > to prove need and todo so had to fill out the FAFSA ( see http:// 
> > www.fafsa.ed.gov/before012.htm for a sample worksheet).  Are you  
> > suggesting something similar.  If not, how do you prove need?
> > Or, how do we define need?  If I were a millionaire, but had no  
> > employer to send me would I be in need of support?  If I have an  
> > employer, but they are in bankruptcy proceedings, do I have need?
> > I believe these and many other similar questions would need to be  
> > answered for there to be an objective set of criteria that could  
> > not be gamed or be subjected to influence.
> >
> > a.
> >
> > note: for those who may not know the giggle test.  Basically  
> > someone says "I have need", and if they can say it without most  
> > people starting to giggle, then that need statement i accepted.
> >
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