Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Chair Travel Funding

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Just to be clear, I wasn't getting into the travel funding issue, just the idea 
of letting the Council know that you are going as Council chair and 
representative...

Le 17 mars 2010 à 16:02, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :

> 
> I first thought it would be good to get a sense from the Travel DT members 
> because you guys have been working with this issue.  A lot of concerns have 
> been raised on this list so I am not sure it makes sense to take it to the 
> Council.  Do others think differently?
> 
> Chuck 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:26 AM
>> To: Gomes, Chuck
>> Cc: Tim Ruiz; gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Chair Travel Funding
>> 
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> What about letting the Council as a whole know what you have 
>> been invited to do? I'm sure no-one would have a problem with 
>> you going as Chair, but I agree with Tim that the Council 
>> should be informed prior to you going.
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> Le 16 mars 2010 à 22:23, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the feedback Tim.  Note my response to your 
>> question below.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:15 PM
>>>> To: gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-travel-dt] Chair Travel Funding
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Specifically regarding travel funding for this, I personally don't 
>>>> think it is appropriate. Given the RrSG views on travel funding in 
>>>> general, that would likely be the SG's position.
>>>> 
>>>> Beyond the travel funding issue, is it appropriate for the 
>> Chair to 
>>>> accept engagements representing the Council without 
>> Council approval? 
>>>> I would think at the least, the Council should be informed 
>> as to what 
>>>> the topic of discussion is and what the Chair intends to 
>> say/present 
>>>> to be sure it is in line overall with the Council views/opinions.
>>> 
>>> Chuck: You make a good point.  Even though I was invited 
>> because I was 
>>> Council Chair, it would not be appropriate for me to 
>> participate as a 
>>> representative of the Council without Council approval and I should 
>>> not represent positions of the Council except those that 
>> were approved 
>>> as such.  I never intended to do otherwise but it is 
>> important to make 
>>> that clear.  My intent would be to attempt serve as an information 
>>> resource about the GNSO that might be useful to the Russia IGF.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tim
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-travel-dt] Chair Travel Funding
>>>> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Mon, March 15, 2010 5:51 pm
>>>> To: "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx>, <gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To my knowledge, the answer to both questions may be "no".
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:57 PM
>>>>> To: gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Chair Travel Funding
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My questions: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - has the GNSO ever gained funding for anyone to travel for
>>>> anything
>>>>> other than an ICANN meeting?
>>>>> 
>>>>> - is there any budgeted source of funding from which this
>>>> could come?
>>>>> 
>>>>> a.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Mar 2010, at 17:18, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Olga
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want to request guidance from the GNSO Travel DT
>>>>> regarding a special travel funding issue before bringing 
>> it to the 
>>>>> Council.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been invited to participate in the Russia IGF in my
>>>>> capacity as GNSO Council Chair. It is scheduled for May
>>>> 13-14. Because
>>>>> I will be doing this not as a representative of VeriSign,
>>>> there is not
>>>>> a reasonable business case to request VeriSign to fund my
>>>> travel, so I
>>>>> would like to get feedback from the members of the Travel DT with 
>>>>> regard to this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First of all, let me say that I have never used ICANN
>>>>> provided travel funding to attend ICANN meetings and I do
>>>> not plan to
>>>>> do that for any of the scheduled ICANN in-person meeting 
>> scheduled 
>>>>> this year. The reasons for this are: 1) I do not want there
>>>> to be even
>>>>> a perception of conflict at those meetings when I wear my 
>> multiple 
>>>>> hats of Council Chair, RySG representative and VeriSign 
>>>>> representative; 2) the RySG consistently took a position that it 
>>>>> opposed ICANN travel funding except in cases of demonstrated need.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Second, let me say that I understand that the Travel
>>>>> Funding practice to date has been for ICANN sponsored
>>>> events and that
>>>>> the Russia IGF is not in that category. So one of the
>>>> problems would
>>>>> be the possibility of setting precedents for other travel 
>> needs in 
>>>>> similar situations. For example, Other countries or geographical 
>>>>> regions also hold their own IGF meetings, so what would
>>>> happen if I am
>>>>> invited to those as well, to represent the GNSO? I think 
>> this is a 
>>>>> legitimate concern. All I can say is that I was first
>>>> contacted about
>>>>> the Russia IGF over six months in advance of the meeting 
>> and I have 
>>>>> not been invited to any other country/regional IGF meetings
>>>> for 2010
>>>>> or after. Clearly, if ICANN funding is considered for this,
>>>> it would
>>>>> need to be done with the limitation that travel funds are 
>> available 
>>>>> and that this instance would be a one-time consideration;
>>>> any similar
>>>>> requests in my role as chair would have to be vetted
>>>> independently and
>>>>> would have to have similar advance !
>>>>> notice like was given with the Russia IGF.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also recognize that ICANN has had to trim expenses and I
>>>>> would not want to negatively impact the ability of any GNSO
>>>> members to
>>>>> receive travel funding to the Brussels meeting as a result of my 
>>>>> request.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any thoughts that any members of the Travel DT, including
>>>>> negative ones, would be appreciated. I promised both
>>>> Theresa Swinehart
>>>>> and Kevin Wilson that I would get back to them on this but have 
>>>>> waiting raising it because of the huge number of issues
>>>> that we have
>>>>> been dealing with in the GNSO.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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