RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] poll - Too early to ask these questions

[Jeff Eckhaus <eckhaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well I guess I may be the only one but I do not really see the harm in having 
this poll. I think it could actually help.



The reasons not have the poll are is that it is too early, need to study the 
long term implications, maybe do not understand and so on and so forth.



I think those are all valid points and do not discount them, but think that is 
the feedback we could get from a poll. There is an area for comments, people 
could write " I do not understand this proposal" , or other comments like " I 
need more time", "I cannot keep up with the emails"  or whatever their thoughts 
are. We would be receiving feedback.



There have been many calls for more participation from the Working Group from 
members who have remained silent thus far. I am a little surprised that the 
first time our Chair tries to elicit some feedback from the Group in a 
non-binding poll the responses are all negative.





Just my two cents





Jeff Eckhaus













-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Phil Buckingham
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:55 AM
To: vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] poll - Too early to ask these questions





Yep , I ll fifth this motion.  Please listen to / assess my proposal next

monday.

Jeff 's  paragraph ...."in addition"  ...... re vested interests ( dare I

say it ) is central to my proposal.

Central to all this is to get consensus ( what ever that means )

and " persuade /convince " the ICANN Board  ( at

Brussels - ha ha ) that VI Proposal X , Y  Z  is /are the "best" overall ,

 in terms of cost and benefits to old registries , new registries , small

ones  large ones , end users , registrars- everybody involved in the value

chain.

One thing is certain is that the status quo /baseline ( default position)VI

cannot work / will not work in the new gTLD marketplace.

........ but there are some on here who disagree ... right ????

A secret poll perhaps - but in a couple of weeks time answering keys

questions that Berry

& Jannik have raised  and I will also raise next week.



regards

Phil



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From: "Volker Greimann - Key-Systems GmbH" <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 4:21 PM

Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] poll - Too early to ask these questions





>

> Let me second (third?) this motion as well. I do think it will be

> helpful to collect the opinions regarding the various proposals for an

> early assessment of positions, but there still needs to be a lot of

> discussion regarding the various positions before we can come to an

> actual  vote.

>

> I see a lot of merit in Janniks proposal. Like JC said: Less process

> more substance!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Volker

>> I want to second Statton's comment here. Having duly listened in on all

>> the calls and read (most) of the emails so far, I am nowhere near a

>> "black and white" view to be put on a poll. Additionaly, the

>> "signal/noise" ratio of the list has made things even harder at times.

>>

>> Maybe we could devote most of Monday's call to allow for some discussions

>> on the proposals themselves? Less process more substance!

>>

>> Warm regards,

>> Jean-Christophe

>>

>>

>> Le 16/04/10 16:22, « Hammock, Statton » <shammock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a

>> écrit :

>>

>> Mikey,

>>

>> I will finally chime in here and support Jeff's comment that it is a

>> little early to ask for our views on each of the proposals. I do like the

>> idea of the poll but I, personally, need a little more time to analyze

>> the details.  Some of the proposals were just introduced this week, after

>> all.

>>

>> I have been mostly a "lurker" with respect to the e-mail exchanges on the

>> list but I have not been doing so with my hands "folded."  I regularly

>> take notes on the points being raised by active members of the group and

>> try to map out where consensus might be found given the various

>> viewpoints.  Some of the discussions have struck me as being too

>> theoretical but also practical suggestions and proposals have been

>> introduced and I am trying to focus on them and really try to get a feel

>> on how this should play out.  Waiting another week for the poll would be

>> helpful to me.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Statton

>>

>>

>> Statton Hammock

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>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx

>> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff

>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:01 AM

>> To: gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx

>> Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] poll - Too early to ask these questions

>>

>> Mikey,

>>

>> Although I appreciate the notion of taking polls, I just have the feeling

>> that it is WAY too early to ask the questions that you have on Poll #1.

>> Very few of us understand the implications of each of the proposals

>> enough to be able to comment on whether we support or oppose a particular

>> proposal much less whether we can fill in the comment sections on any

>> revisions that we would propose to that particular proposal.  I thought

>> we were going to form sub-teams to look at the proposals to discuss the

>> pros and cons of each of the proposals in order to potentially come up

>> with some sort of hybrid or consensus driven proposal (if possible).

>>

>> In addition, there is nothing in the survey that asks the responder to

>> declare its interests (namely, (a) to check all that apply....gTLD

>> Registry, gTLD Registrar, New TLD Applicant, New TLD back-end Registry

>> Services Provider, etc., and (b) are you in favor of integration or

>> separation....).  I just think that coming out of this survey saying x

>> number of people support this proposal without the essential context is

>> going to be misleading especially with this group being so stacked with

>> New TLD applicants, registries, registry services providers and

>> registrars).

>>

>> I would strongly ask that we withdraw this survey for this week in favor

>> of proceeding as initially proposed.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Jeffrey J. Neuman

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