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Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs

  • To: Ron Andruff <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs
  • From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:21:57 +0200


Ron, I think you are misreading the statement Antony made. I do not think he made such a statement.

Regarding your alluded to point in general:
Innovation can come from many sources, one of them registrars.

Volker

With due respect Antony, it borders on the ludicrous to assert that
registrars are the only ones who are going to bring innovation to
registries.

RA

Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Van Couvering [mailto:avc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:07 AM
To: Ron Andruff
Cc: Volker Greimann; <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs

The business, regulatory, and advisory arrangements with governments ccTLDs
vary across the board, from complete government control to complete
non-involvement.  The level of consumer harm, as far as I can tell, is
similar. The level of investment, revenue, innovation, and domain volume,
however, is inversely correlated to restrictive policies. And as a rule, the
more government involvement, the more restrictive the policies.   Compare,
for instance, the hands-off regulatory regime of Germany with the
command-and-control style that has characterized .it or .fr, and then look
at registration volumes. I suppose you could say that because there are
fewer customers, there are correspondingly fewer harms, but that is cold
comfort. Sent from my handheld.
On Jun 22, 2010, at 12:55, "Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Volker,

Often is has been noted that ccTLDs operate without consumer harm, but
(while I don't know this as fact and welcome others to confirm or clarify)
it appears to me that most ccTLDs have significant government oversight or
are run by governments, academic institutions or not-for-profits.  I am
aware that some smaller nations have outsourced and contracted operations
to
commercial entities, but the larger measure is as noted above.  If I am
correct in my understanding, it is understandable that there has been less
harm in that group of TLD operators and thus the argument about ccTLDs is,
in fact, not a supporting one for VI.

If I am incorrect, I welcome corrections to my understanding.

Thanks,

RA

Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:27 AM
To: Jeff Eckhaus
Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal


While this proposal may be a step in the right direction, especially when considering the new additions for RSPs, I see it lacking in many respects. The blind focus of the 15% limit as a fix-all without addressing any of the perceived harms should be seen as what it is: simple protectionism of the interests of current providers by keeping registrars from the registry market. I therefore propose to reintroduce the most crucial exception of the JN2 proposal: allowing Registrars to act as Registries provided they agree not to sell or resell their own TLD, especially in the case of community TDs. Please bear in mind that many ccTLDs operate successfully and without consumer harm selling their own TLDs, so we registrars are already making a huge concession here, in fact this is the line I will not be able go beyond.

Please also define the term structural seperation. Will it require seperate executive staff, support staff, or seperation of system? Any such seperation will drive up the price of operations. While I agree that financial seperation makes absolute sense, I do not see this for structural seperation of it means what I think it does.

It is lacking a policy review procedure, which is needed to ease up the requirements in the light of experience.



Volker
One question -  does this proposal restrict a Registrar  from
participating in the gTLD round as an applicant?
Thanks

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jon Nevett
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:57 AM
To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal

VI WG Colleagues:

Here is a very high level proposal that is coming out of our subgroup
conversations (not every member of the subgroup supports)
We are looking for a catchy name -- any ideas?  (nothing offensive
Milton)
New Proposal

**15% restriction going both ways, including resellers and Registry
Service Providers (Back-end technical service providers) regardless of TLD
-- taken from RACK
**Exception for Single Registrant Single User for corporate use only --
(sub group believed that exception was not necessary as registry schedule
of
reserved names already provides for this, but good to have in contract for
clarity) -- mostly taken from JN2
**Exception for back-end (RSP) IF a) RSP doesn't control registry or its
policy, pricing and registrar selection; b) there is structural separation
between RSP function and affiliated registrar function; AND c) RSP has
direct contract with ICANN requiring data
security/confidentiality/structural separation with graduated sanctions
including de-accreditation for any violations -- new idea
**Use of registrars required; registry may select based on objective
criteria; Non Discrimination & Equal Access for registrars selected --
taken
from JN2
**Group continues work on Single Registrant Multiple User and
Community/Orphan exceptions -- not necessary to be in place at time of
final
AG
Looking forward to discussing on Thursday.

Thanks!

Jon


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