RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs

["Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

If I misread his position, I apologize.

RA

Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:22 AM
To: Ron Andruff
Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs

Ron, I think you are misreading the statement Antony made. I do not 
think he made such a statement.

Regarding your alluded to point in general:
Innovation can come from many sources, one of them registrars.

Volker

> With due respect Antony, it borders on the ludicrous to assert that
> registrars are the only ones who are going to bring innovation to
> registries.
>
> RA
>
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antony Van Couvering [mailto:avc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:07 AM
> To: Ron Andruff
> Cc: Volker Greimann; <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs
>
> The business, regulatory, and advisory arrangements with governments
ccTLDs
> vary across the board, from complete government control to complete
> non-involvement.  The level of consumer harm, as far as I can tell, is
> similar. The level of investment, revenue, innovation, and domain volume,
> however, is inversely correlated to restrictive policies. And as a rule,
the
> more government involvement, the more restrictive the policies.   Compare,
> for instance, the hands-off regulatory regime of Germany with the
> command-and-control style that has characterized .it or .fr, and then look
> at registration volumes. I suppose you could say that because there are
> fewer customers, there are correspondingly fewer harms, but that is cold
> comfort.  
>
> Sent from my handheld.   
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 12:55, "Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   
>> Volker,
>>
>> Often is has been noted that ccTLDs operate without consumer harm, but
>> (while I don't know this as fact and welcome others to confirm or
clarify)
>> it appears to me that most ccTLDs have significant government oversight
or
>> are run by governments, academic institutions or not-for-profits.  I am
>> aware that some smaller nations have outsourced and contracted operations
>>     
> to
>   
>> commercial entities, but the larger measure is as noted above.  If I am
>> correct in my understanding, it is understandable that there has been
less
>> harm in that group of TLD operators and thus the argument about ccTLDs
is,
>> in fact, not a supporting one for VI.
>>
>> If I am incorrect, I welcome corrections to my understanding.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> RA
>>
>> Ronald N. Andruff
>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:27 AM
>> To: Jeff Eckhaus
>> Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal
>>
>>
>> While this proposal may be a step in the right direction, especially 
>> when considering the new additions for RSPs, I see it lacking in many 
>> respects. The blind focus of the 15% limit as a fix-all without 
>> addressing any of the perceived harms should be seen as what it is: 
>> simple protectionism of the interests of current providers by keeping 
>> registrars from the registry market. 
>>
>> I therefore propose to reintroduce the most crucial exception of the JN2 
>> proposal: allowing Registrars to act as Registries provided they agree 
>> not to sell or resell their own TLD, especially in the case of community 
>> TDs. Please bear in mind that many ccTLDs operate successfully and 
>> without consumer harm selling their own TLDs, so we registrars are 
>> already making a huge concession here, in fact this is the line I will 
>> not be able go beyond.
>>
>> Please also define the term structural seperation. Will it require 
>> seperate executive staff, support staff, or seperation of system? Any 
>> such seperation will drive up the price of operations. While I agree 
>> that financial seperation makes absolute sense, I do not see this for 
>> structural seperation of it means what I think it does.
>>
>> It is lacking a policy review procedure, which is needed to ease up the 
>> requirements in the light of experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> Volker
>>     
>>> One question -  does this proposal restrict a Registrar  from
>>>       
>> participating in the gTLD round as an applicant? 
>>     
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>>       
> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
>   
>> On Behalf Of Jon Nevett
>>     
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:57 AM
>>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal 
>>>
>>>
>>> VI WG Colleagues:
>>>
>>> Here is a very high level proposal that is coming out of our subgroup
>>>       
>> conversations (not every member of the subgroup supports)
>>     
>>> We are looking for a catchy name -- any ideas?  (nothing offensive
>>>       
> Milton)
>   
>>> New Proposal
>>>
>>> **15% restriction going both ways, including resellers and Registry
>>>       
>> Service Providers (Back-end technical service providers) regardless of
TLD
>> -- taken from RACK
>>     
>>> **Exception for Single Registrant Single User for corporate use only --
>>>       
>> (sub group believed that exception was not necessary as registry schedule
>>     
> of
>   
>> reserved names already provides for this, but good to have in contract
for
>> clarity) -- mostly taken from JN2
>>     
>>> **Exception for back-end (RSP) IF a) RSP doesn't control registry or its
>>>       
>> policy, pricing and registrar selection; b) there is structural
separation
>> between RSP function and affiliated registrar function; AND c) RSP has
>> direct contract with ICANN requiring data
>> security/confidentiality/structural separation with graduated sanctions
>> including de-accreditation for any violations -- new idea
>>     
>>> **Use of registrars required; registry may select based on objective
>>>       
>> criteria; Non Discrimination & Equal Access for registrars selected --
>>     
> taken
>   
>> from JN2
>>     
>>> **Group continues work on Single Registrant Multiple User and
>>>       
>> Community/Orphan exceptions -- not necessary to be in place at time of
>>     
> final
>   
>> AG
>>     
>>> Looking forward to discussing on Thursday.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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