Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs

[Antony Van Couvering <avc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

No problem Ron, I have often done the same.  

Antony

Sent from my handheld.   

On Jun 22, 2010, at 15:32, "Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> If I misread his position, I apologize.
> 
> RA
> 
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:22 AM
> To: Ron Andruff
> Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs
> 
> Ron, I think you are misreading the statement Antony made. I do not 
> think he made such a statement.
> 
> Regarding your alluded to point in general:
> Innovation can come from many sources, one of them registrars.
> 
> Volker
> 
>> With due respect Antony, it borders on the ludicrous to assert that
>> registrars are the only ones who are going to bring innovation to
>> registries.
>> 
>> RA
>> 
>> Ronald N. Andruff
>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antony Van Couvering [mailto:avc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:07 AM
>> To: Ron Andruff
>> Cc: Volker Greimann; <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal & ccTLDs
>> 
>> The business, regulatory, and advisory arrangements with governments
> ccTLDs
>> vary across the board, from complete government control to complete
>> non-involvement.  The level of consumer harm, as far as I can tell, is
>> similar. The level of investment, revenue, innovation, and domain volume,
>> however, is inversely correlated to restrictive policies. And as a rule,
> the
>> more government involvement, the more restrictive the policies.   Compare,
>> for instance, the hands-off regulatory regime of Germany with the
>> command-and-control style that has characterized .it or .fr, and then look
>> at registration volumes. I suppose you could say that because there are
>> fewer customers, there are correspondingly fewer harms, but that is cold
>> comfort.  
>> 
>> Sent from my handheld.   
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2010, at 12:55, "Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Volker,
>>> 
>>> Often is has been noted that ccTLDs operate without consumer harm, but
>>> (while I don't know this as fact and welcome others to confirm or
> clarify)
>>> it appears to me that most ccTLDs have significant government oversight
> or
>>> are run by governments, academic institutions or not-for-profits.  I am
>>> aware that some smaller nations have outsourced and contracted operations
>>> 
>> to
>> 
>>> commercial entities, but the larger measure is as noted above.  If I am
>>> correct in my understanding, it is understandable that there has been
> less
>>> harm in that group of TLD operators and thus the argument about ccTLDs
> is,
>>> in fact, not a supporting one for VI.
>>> 
>>> If I am incorrect, I welcome corrections to my understanding.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> RA
>>> 
>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:27 AM
>>> To: Jeff Eckhaus
>>> Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal
>>> 
>>> 
>>> While this proposal may be a step in the right direction, especially 
>>> when considering the new additions for RSPs, I see it lacking in many 
>>> respects. The blind focus of the 15% limit as a fix-all without 
>>> addressing any of the perceived harms should be seen as what it is: 
>>> simple protectionism of the interests of current providers by keeping 
>>> registrars from the registry market. 
>>> 
>>> I therefore propose to reintroduce the most crucial exception of the JN2 
>>> proposal: allowing Registrars to act as Registries provided they agree 
>>> not to sell or resell their own TLD, especially in the case of community 
>>> TDs. Please bear in mind that many ccTLDs operate successfully and 
>>> without consumer harm selling their own TLDs, so we registrars are 
>>> already making a huge concession here, in fact this is the line I will 
>>> not be able go beyond.
>>> 
>>> Please also define the term structural seperation. Will it require 
>>> seperate executive staff, support staff, or seperation of system? Any 
>>> such seperation will drive up the price of operations. While I agree 
>>> that financial seperation makes absolute sense, I do not see this for 
>>> structural seperation of it means what I think it does.
>>> 
>>> It is lacking a policy review procedure, which is needed to ease up the 
>>> requirements in the light of experience.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Volker
>>> 
>>>> One question -  does this proposal restrict a Registrar  from
>>>> 
>>> participating in the gTLD round as an applicant? 
>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> 
>> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx]
>> 
>>> On Behalf Of Jon Nevett
>>> 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:57 AM
>>>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] New Proposal 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> VI WG Colleagues:
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a very high level proposal that is coming out of our subgroup
>>>> 
>>> conversations (not every member of the subgroup supports)
>>> 
>>>> We are looking for a catchy name -- any ideas?  (nothing offensive
>>>> 
>> Milton)
>> 
>>>> New Proposal
>>>> 
>>>> **15% restriction going both ways, including resellers and Registry
>>>> 
>>> Service Providers (Back-end technical service providers) regardless of
> TLD
>>> -- taken from RACK
>>> 
>>>> **Exception for Single Registrant Single User for corporate use only --
>>>> 
>>> (sub group believed that exception was not necessary as registry schedule
>>> 
>> of
>> 
>>> reserved names already provides for this, but good to have in contract
> for
>>> clarity) -- mostly taken from JN2
>>> 
>>>> **Exception for back-end (RSP) IF a) RSP doesn't control registry or its
>>>> 
>>> policy, pricing and registrar selection; b) there is structural
> separation
>>> between RSP function and affiliated registrar function; AND c) RSP has
>>> direct contract with ICANN requiring data
>>> security/confidentiality/structural separation with graduated sanctions
>>> including de-accreditation for any violations -- new idea
>>> 
>>>> **Use of registrars required; registry may select based on objective
>>>> 
>>> criteria; Non Discrimination & Equal Access for registrars selected --
>>> 
>> taken
>> 
>>> from JN2
>>> 
>>>> **Group continues work on Single Registrant Multiple User and
>>>> 
>>> Community/Orphan exceptions -- not necessary to be in place at time of
>>> 
>> final
>> 
>>> AG
>>> 
>>>> Looking forward to discussing on Thursday.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Jon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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