RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?

[Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

But there is no broad support for any particular definition. My text is
not new. It is simply a statement of fact that you have all agreed to in
this thread, general agreement on some concept of SRSU.

What Kristina has been working on IS new text that only a small subgroup
have paying any attention to or contributed to. It did NOT exist when we
did the poll. Mikey's suggested compromise is fair and does not mislead
readers into thinking more than what is true.

The point about EU being asleep is also true when you turn it around for
the other half of the globe. That's an important point. The SRSU,
Exceptions, and Compliance pieces should not be included except as Mikey
has suggested exactly for that reason. They have been created in a short
time post poll by only a few members.        


Tim
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?
> From: "jarkko.ruuska@xxxxxxxxx" <jarkko.ruuska@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, July 21, 2010 7:55 am
> To: <pjbuckingham@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <krosette@xxxxxxx>, <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>, <gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Aq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Stéphane Van Gelder
> Sent:  21.07.2010, 13:14
> To: Phil Buckingham
> Cc: Rosette, Kristina; Mike O'Connor; gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?
> 
> 
> Agree.
> And also agree there is broad support for the SRSU exception from this group.
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> Le 21 juil. 2010 à 11:50, Phil Buckingham a écrit :
> 
> >
> > Hi Kristina,
> >
> > The morning after in Europe , so I have no idea what was finally put out  
> > by " the Americans "
> > I equally object to the tactic of trying to push something through at the 
> > last minute , without the ability to comment , as us Europeans are in bed !
> >
> > This SRSU exception has been flogged to death, IMO and there IS broad 
> > support.
> >
> > Great job BTW ,
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>
> > To: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>; "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:37 AM
> > Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Back online 90 minutes after 2400 GMT (as promised earlier) and I
> >> object.   Tim's text has been out for comments for far shorter time than
> >> the other sections.  I, for one, have been too busy working on the SRSU
> >> section and IP summary to focus on it.
> >>
> >> It's my understanding that there is broad support for the idea of an
> >> SRSU exception even if there is no general agreement on the specific
> >> iteration. JN2 have an SRSU, BRU1 has one, and (drumroll, please) IPC
> >> and NCSG are in agreement on the need for one.  If that's not broad
> >> support, what is?  Seriously.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike O'Connor
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:43 PM
> >> To: Tim Ruiz
> >> Cc: gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?
> >>
> >>
> >> coolio.
> >>
> >> others?  going once...
> >>
> >> i'm still in heavy-edit mode, but my goal is to be done in a couple
> >> hours.  so speak soon.  :-)
> >>
> >> mikey
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Perfect.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tim
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> >>>
> >>>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?
> >>>> From: Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Date: Tue, July 20, 2010 7:31 pm
> >>>> To: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Cc: gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>> seems to me that they can get introduced as such
> >>>>
> >>>> - use your language as the introduction
> >>>>
> >>>> - move the more-detailed write-ups to the Annexes
> >>>>
> >>>> - note that these are still in very early stages of discussion,
> >>>> represent an early draft from a subset of the group, and that we
> >>>> welcome ideas from the broader community
> >>>>
> >>>> something like that work?
> >>>>
> >>>> mikey
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If they go in, how will it be made clear that those sections only
> >>>>> represent the ideas of a small subset of the WG? They did not even
> >>>>> exist when we did the poll! At best they are more or less minority
> >> reports.
> >>>>> The only general agreement that exists is for what I am proposing
> >>>>> goes in their place.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tim
> >>>>> Sent from Go Daddy Mobile Mail using my iPad!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?
> >>>>>> From: Jothan Frakes <jothan@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Date: Tue, July 20, 2010 6:56 pm
> >>>>>> To: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Cc: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>, gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have put some thought into it and I think it is worth including
> >>>>>> Kristina and Brian's summaries, even though I saw the wisdom of the
> >>
> >>>>>> 4 points Tim eloquently stated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Jothan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jothan Frakes
> >>>>>> +1.206-355-0230 tel
> >>>>>> +1.206-201-6881 fax
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i know -- but at a minimum i'd like to hear from the other two
> >> "summarizers" before proceeding that way...  Brian, Kristina, others,
> >> what say you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> mikey
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Again, I would rather we use my suggested text to replace all
> >>>>>>>> three of these sections - Exceptions, SRSU, and Compliance. I
> >>>>>>>> believe there several others who were in agreement that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>> Sent from Go Daddy Mobile Mail using my iPad!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU Exception Text - Revised - DIR?
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, July 20, 2010 4:38 pm
> >>>>>>>>> To: <gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Here's revised SRSU exception
> >>>>>>>>> text that incorporates some
> >>>>>>>>> (not all) of Eric's changes
> >>>>>>>>> and most of Jeff N.'s wording
> >>>>>>>>> (I tweaked it slightly by
> >>>>>>>>> adding /SRMU and using .brand
> >>>>>>>>> and .ngo).  I didn't receive
> >>>>>>>>> any other changes.
> >>>>>>>>> I've left a placeholder for
> >>>>>>>>> other exception text (Richard
> >>>>>>>>> - HINT!).  I've also left a
> >>>>>>>>> placeholder for text that sets
> >>>>>>>>> out the criticisms of SRSU.  I
> >>>>>>>>> think it's important to
> >>>>>>>>> include that - not only for
> >>>>>>>>> balance, but to help those who
> >>>>>>>>> may submit public comments.
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know if this is DIR,
> >>>>>>>>> but I have to offline until
> >>>>>>>>> after 2400 GMT so am sending
> >>>>>>>>> it along now.  (I will be back
> >>>>>>>>> online about 90 minutes after
> >>>>>>>>> 2400 GMT if that helps.)
> >>>>>>>>> Our document comparison
> >>>>>>>>> software is offline so I can't
> >>>>>>>>> generate a redline. Apologies.
> >>>>>>>>> K
> >>>>>>>
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