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Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Board resolution on Vertical Integration

  • To: Richard Tindal <richardtindal@xxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Board resolution on Vertical Integration
  • From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:26:13 +0200

Not sure what the GAC position in general is, but the GAC members I talked to shared that view:

in general VS is a good idea, but in some exceptions it would not make sense, i.e. communities of a limited size of domain registrations and SRSUs. In those scenarios they supported exceptions from VS.

It's hard to determine the specific position advocated by GAC.

When you read specific sentences in isolation they seem to support certain positions. But when the thing is read in totality it can be contradictory. For example, this in the 2nd para -- "/Governments generally support restrictions on vertical integration / /and cross- ownership as important devices for promoting competition, preventing market dominance and averting market distortions". /

Overall (to me) they seem to me to be advocating exceptions only for smaller, Community TLDs. If they had meant full integration except with market power, in any situation, it would have been an easy thing for them to say.


On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Jeff Eckhaus wrote:

Or we could ask Salop/Wright since the GAC specifically references them:

preventing market dominance and averting market distortions. The GAC notes in this regard the Salop
and Wright report and recognizes that vertical separation may be warranted where a market participant wields, or may in the future wield, market power

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To Mikey's question:

Another thing we did in the MaPO group, when we wondered what the GAC meant, we asked.


On 27 Sep 2010, at 09:40, Richard Tindal wrote:

I agree with Eric.

Its unclear to me precisely what the GAC meant. I'm leaning towards the interpretation that its about exceptions.


On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:

Warning. Not the product of a long and considered thinkum.

What is "wrong" with ...

0% (Nairobi): It does not match the GAC recommendation that an exception exist for registries operated by and for communities located in developing economies.

3% (Staff): Ditto.

RACK+: There's the no-exception version, and the "++" version that was the subject of discussion involving myself and others, which had exception for communities. The "+" version shares the defect above. The "++" version has the defect that the community exception did not specifically promote communities located in developing economies or under-served scripts.

JN2: It has exceptions for communities, as well as exceptions for "single registrant", and for "orphan". The defect(s) are arguably that the scope of the exception promotes brands and fail(ing) standard applications more than communities located in developing economies or under-served scripts, _and_, after 18 months, the per-registry test of separation as a market protection policy.

Free Trade: It does not match the GAC recommendation that separation is the appropriate tool for market protection, and shares the first defect of JN2.

CAM: Ditto. The utility of my commenting on anything from Meuller/Palage/Doria is less than zero.

I suppose a key issue is how one reads the GAC recommendation.

Are the references to market power informative to the recommendation that registries operated by and for communities in developing economies be allowed to operate the registrar function, OR are they free standing, and applicable to any registry lacking market power?

Are the references to national competition authorities illustrative of the issues to consider when evaluating a request for vertical integration, or are they recommendations to delegations of authority from the Board to some national competition authorities?

Then there's the hoary old standard, what is meant in this document by "market power"? Is it in the CNOBI++ market, whether registry or registrar function is considered, or is it in each .NEWDOT market, or is it across all similar .NEWDOT instances?

See you at call-time.

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