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RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points -- pls review/comment within 24 hours
- To: "Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points -- pls review/comment within 24 hours
- From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:14:15 -0700
<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
font-size:10pt;"><div>A final report is different, but that goes to Council,
not the Board. The Council reviews and then Council sends it on to the Board.
If that's what we're talking about, fine. But it didn't seem to me that
everyone had bought into a final report and wrapping up the WG just
yet.<BR></div>
<div><BR></div>
<div>Tim <BR></div>
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<DIV id=wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: RE:
[gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's bullet-points<BR>-- pls
review/comment within 24 hours<BR>From: "Ron Andruff" <<a
href="mailto:randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><BR>Date:
Mon, October 25, 2010 5:07 pm<BR>To: "'Neuman, Jeff'" <<a
href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx";>Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx</a>>, "'Tim
Ruiz'"<BR><<a href="mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxx";>tim@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>>, <<a
href="mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx";>mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a>><BR>Cc: <<a
href="mailto:Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx";>Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx</a>><BR><BR>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=blue size=3
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jeff
and Tim,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=blue size=3
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE:
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=blue size=3
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">My
posting of one week ago follows. You will note that staff has advised on
this matter and we are closing it out, as
recommended.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Margie pointed out that the WG must
send something to the Board after review of the public comments, i.e., the
final report. We need to nail down that final report this week, in my
view, so that we establish a definitive VI WG line for the Board and GNSO
Council before their next meetings. Staff have intimated to the Council
that the October 28th Board meeting will be decision-making time for the final
AG, so the Board needs to get our input as soon as possible considering they
will be meeting Thursday in one week (10-days from today). [Turns out
that the Board and Council are meeting on the same day.] We don't need
full consensus on this, and I believe that the majority of WG would support a
final report that included the details of Roberto's email of today. I
checked with the GNSO Chair regarding the reporting chain and he is of the
opinion that a singular message sent to PdT, KP and GNSO Chair is the way
forward (i.e., we needn't get back into the issue of whether we send it to
Council to forward to the Board, etc. It can go
direct).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The second issue - whether to
dissolve this WG or hibernate it - is a non-issue. IF we can get enough
agreement from the WG to send our FINAL report, then, pursuant to Roberto's
email, we go back to the Council to ask about re-chartering this same group or
establishing a new issues report/PDP.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In either case, any one who wants
to continue on a re-chartered WG or a newly-chartered WG to complete phase 2
work would be able to. In short, I don't see what merit there is in
'hibernating' our WG.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Wrapping up our loose ends
(responding to comments) this week will leave the Board a few days more to
determine what they want to do. Delaying the information we need to send
on would only serve to shed a bad light on the current WG,
IMHO.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=blue size=3
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regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a
href="mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx";>owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx</a>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Neuman,
Jeff<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 25,
2010 5:27 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Tim Ruiz; <a
href="mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx";>mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <a
href="mailto:Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx";>Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx</a><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined
version of Roberto's bullet-points -- pls review/comment within 24
hours</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT size=3 face="Times New
Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">I agree with Tim as well on this. There is no protocol for us to be
sending anything directly to the Board and that falls outside of the Policy
Development Process (which we are still in the middle
of).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">Even assuming we were to send something to the Board, and I apologize for
not being able to be on the call (don’t remove me from the list), I do not see
the value of the specific bullet points. If I were to interpret those
bullet points (in my own way), this is how I would read
them:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">Bullet 1. When we talked about compliance in our report, we really
meant it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">Bullet 2. There is still no consensus on any solution (even though
we told you that a few weeks ago)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">Bullet 3. We have been doing some work over the past few weeks and
we plan on doing more, but no consensus yet on any of
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">Bullet 4. When we discussed that there may be a need for exceptions
in our report that we sent to you, some of us meant that as
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=#00b050 size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #00b050; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">Not to be too cynical (I know – too late), but what do those that support
sending this list to the Board hope to achieve by sending the
list?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a
href="mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx";>owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx</a>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Tim
Ruiz<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 25,
2010 3:30 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <a
href="mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx";>mike@xxxxxxxxxx</a><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <a
href="mailto:Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx";>Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx</a><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined
version of Roberto's bullet-points -- pls review/comment within 24
hours<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I don't agree that
anything further needs to be forwarded to the Board<BR>at this point, and would
be concerned that it just cause confusion and<BR>delay. I don't see what they
would get out of the points below that they<BR>haven't gotten from the
report.<BR><BR>So if it matters, my vote or opinion is that it not be sent. If
the<BR>Chairs deem there is consensus otherwise the. I would ask that at
tleast<BR>the last bullet be changed to simply read:<BR><BR>"While the WG has
not identified exact examples there is a general<BR>feeling that some
exceptions could be granted."<BR><BR>There were many more examples discussed
than the two cited in the text<BR>below. Either they all should be cited or
none at all, otherwise it<BR>gives more weight to the two cited than there
really is at this point.<BR><BR>Tim<BR><BR>> -------- Original Message
--------<BR>> Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] refined version of Roberto's
bullet-points --<BR>> pls review/comment within 24 hours<BR>> From: "Mike
O'Connor" <BR>> Date: Mon, October 25, 2010 1:33 pm<BR>> To: vertical
integration wg <BR>> <BR>> hi all,<BR>> <BR>> this is the revised
version of the bullet-points that Roberto proposed to the list -- thanks to all
who contributed during our call. we'd like to leave them open for comments over
the next 24 hours, and then forward them to the Board in anticipation of their
meeting this Thursday.<BR>> <BR>> thanks,<BR>> <BR>> mikey<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">�</SPAN></FONT> Compliance is key (the working group
spent a considerable amount of time discussing the issue). Whatever the rules
established for the new TLDs, we need adequate leadership, processes and
resources in place to enforce them;<BR>> <FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">�</SPAN></FONT> There is no consensus on either full
vertical integration or full vertical separation;<BR>> <FONT
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">�</SPAN></FONT> We have compiled a
list of potential harms that may be associated with either complete separation
or complete integration. We have not finalized the list, we have not focused on
potential harms associated with partial integration or separation, and we do
not have consensus on the list we do have.<BR>> <FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">�</SPAN></FONT> While the WG has not identified
exact examples (although some cases like cultural TLDs or brand TLDs have been
discussed), there is a general feeling that some exceptions could be
granted.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> - - - - - - - - -<BR>> phone
651-647-6109 <BR>> fax 866-280-2356 <BR>> web <a
href="http://www.haven2.com";>http://www.haven2.com</a><BR>> handle
OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook, Google,
etc.)<o:p></o:p></div></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></span></body></html>
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