[npoc] Re: [EC-NCSG] pending NCSG membership applications - votes & comments

[Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Robin,

No offense taken.

I hope my clarification was sufficient.

What maybe needs further explaining, is that NPOC does active recruiting
and it would be nonsensical for NPOC to invite an NGO/NFP to apply for NCSG
membership and then refuse them membership in NPOC! So, de facto as the
form and process now stands, when NCSG approves a member recruited by NPOC,
it becomes an NPOC member. That is what I mean by APPROVED FOR NPOC
membership, because I don't mean APPROVED FOR NCUC membership. For
instance, Bytes for Pakistan (spelling?) was not recruited by NPOC, so I
APPROVE FOR NCUC membership was my statement.

This is also required because the current NCSG application template is in
need of improvement (as we agreed in Toronto during the NCSG-EC meeting and
we do not wish for an NPOC-recruited member to become inadvertently  an
NCUC member because of a template snafu (or booby trap as Klaus calls
them!) or misreading by applicant. Remember for instance the British Red
Cross, clearly recruited by NPOC, ended up as an NCUC applicant.

Finally, since we have not agreed on a one step (NPOC's preference) or two
step process (NCUC's preference), these clarifying comments during approval
are useful in my mind and clearly establishe which Constituency the
applicant joins, in case of any doubt.

Thanks and I hope you understand, Alain

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear Alain,
>
> Please do not get offended.  I am sincerely asking for clarification
> because we have a misunderstanding as to what is said and what it means.
>
> I'm simply trying to clarify that this is an NCSG-EC activity - reviewing
> and approving NCSG membership applications, as per the NCSG Charter.  This
> NCSG-EC is not approving NPOC memberships - that is up to NPOC to do
> according to its own procedures.  That is all I am saying and hope you are
> hearing.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
> Robin,
>
> It means what it says. It is as clear as canadian glacier water!...
>
> Are you assuming there is a consensus on the process? this is not the
> case... we progressed a bit in Toronto, but did not finish our discussions;
> we certainly discussed but did not agree to this 2 step approach... We
> decided the NCSG membership application template needs to be redesigned and
> NPOC and NCUC must come to an agreement.
>
> We at NPOC recruit for NPOC - this is clear - and the NCSG process is a
> first hoop we have to jump through because of the charter... we comply to
> the letter, but not great spirit in doing it..., I assure you. I was
> starting to be comfortable that NPOC could thrive inside NCSG, but now I
> have my doubts with your remark.
>
> To go forward, let's make sure the fragile relationship we are building is
> maintained and not jump to the conclusion that NPOC will do whatever the
> NCSG establishment wishes...
>
> Please, I am mostly interested in growing the NPOC Constituency... can
> this please make sure this happens in NCSG as we now stand? Please cut us
> some slack!...
>
> Thanks for your understanding!
>
> Alain
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Alain,
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "approve for NPOC membership".
>>
>> We are a committee of NCSG members voting to approve applicants to NCSG
>> membership.
>>
>> Approval for constituency memberships is a separate process that happens
>> after NCSG has accepted them for membership, and is done by the individual
>> constituencies.
>>
>> So we (NCSG-EC) are not approving anything for NPOC - this is an NCSG
>> activity we are doing on this list.  I hope that clarifies this task.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have added my comments below from memory.... the google docs link in
>> Robin's originating email is failing me... I have asked Robin for an
>> alternate url route.... I will revert quickly as soon as I can access the
>> applications. Thks in advance
>>
>> Alain
>>
>> PS - my name spells Alain Berranger (2 r's)... I have corrected where
>> necessary...
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>>  ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *PENDING NCSG MEMBERSHIP APPLICATIONS*****
>>>
>>>
>>> *ORGANIZATIONS:*****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *1.  National Council for Voluntary 
>>> Organisations<http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk>
>>> *****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross voted to approve.****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *2.  British Red Cross <http://www.redcross.org.uk>*****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Robin Gross has questions as to whether the organization is part of (or
>>> chartered under) governmental authority and not independent noncommercial
>>> civil society organization.  Need further inquiry and clarification from
>>> organization.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....same as Robin****
>>>
>>> ** Alain Berranger: seems like a no brainer to me, but I will ask for
>>> clarification**
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *3.  INTIC4DEV - Institut des TIC pour le 
>>> développement<http://www.intic4dev.com>
>>> *****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Robin Gross is unable to evaluate the organization (since its website is
>>> in French).  But I notice a bunch of company names of the website, ex :
>>> Microsoft, Cisco, etc. so I wonder if it is mainly funded by commercial
>>> organizations.  Would like further information and input on commercial ties
>>> of organization.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller ..... Tending to approve, however I am unsure. I have an
>>> inquiry out to someone from Togo. The company names come from the
>>> certification programs they run, so there is nothing wrong there. However,
>>> they mention that Alison.com is a partner, and Alison.com is a for-profit,
>>> advertising supported entity that offers free learning. Alain, can you
>>> vouch that they are nonprofit, or do they sell these training certification
>>> programs for profit, or run on advertising?
>>>
>> Alain Berranger - I know Olivier Kouami... He is an ICT4D senior
>> Consultant in his private practice and heads up this NGO on the side (A bit
>> like you Robin with your own practice and IPjustice). He is a volunteer on
>> NPOC's Program Committee and in charge of facilitating the recruiting
>> NGOs/NFPs in francophone Africa, so he understands wlll the NFP criteria of
>> NCSG. I will raise your concerns...
>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *4.  Bytes for All, Pakistan* <http://www.bytesforall.pk>****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross voted to approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... it says B4A is a legally registered entity but
>>> there is no proof it is not for profit... I imagine this is an NCUC recruit
>>> as I do not recall initiating this contact... if not for profit status is
>>> confirmed, I would approve for NCUC membership
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *5.  REPAOC <http://www.repaoc.org>*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross notes application is incomplete.  Did not answer questions
>>> about how funded, etc. and website is all in French language.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... APPROVE for NPOC membership. Marie-laure
>>> recruited this applicant via Guy Aho Tete Benissan, the ED of REPAOC.
>>> Robin, you may know him via pir.org where he is on the IAB with
>>> Marie-laure et al **
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE a network of NGOs in Africa****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *6.  Sorites Dot Biz* <http://www.sorites.biz>* *****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross notes application is incomplete.  Did not answer questions
>>> about mission, how funded, etc. and website contains no content.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... REJECT****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....REJECT. There is nothing on the web site, I can
>>> find no information anywhere about this organization, and it is registered
>>> under a commercial domain (.biz)****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *7.  Fondazione Rosselli Americas* <http://www.fondazionerosselli.it>***
>>> *
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... APPROVE for NPOC membership. I recruited this
>>> applicant through Danilo Piaggesi, its ED and a long time friend from his
>>> time with the Italian government and the Interamerican Development Bank.
>>> **
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *8.  TaC-Together against Cybercrime 
>>> International*<http://www.againstcybercrime.eu>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross notes website content amounts to a total of 5 sentences.
>>>  Not clear who is behind this, nor how funded.  Need further inquiry.***
>>> *
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... given she spoked to Fadi in Budapest and Fadi
>>> referred her to NCSG, we need to complete due diligence particularely well
>>>  before we decide which way to go**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....It seems to be a one-person organization, Julia
>>> Morenets, who is associated with Council of Europe. Not sure it qualifies
>>> for NPOC, actually, as I see no operational activities, but if she wanted
>>> to join NCSG as an individual member I would see no problem.  ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *9.  Movimento Mega Nao* <http://meganao.wordpress.com>****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *10. US-Ignite (reconsideration)* <http://us-ignite.org/>****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to Approve.... applicant rep claimed in Toronto
>>> that NPOC had rejected this applicant which is not true**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *INDIVIDUALS:*****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *1.  Benjamin Farrand*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *2.  Edamwen Anthony* ****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... same as Milton****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....?? cant find any information. Can I see the
>>> application? ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *3.  Niel Harper <http://www.octavegroupbb.com>*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE, but note that the URL we were supplied
>>> doesn’t work****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *4.  Stefania Milan <http://www.stefaniamilan.net>*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *5.  Staffon Jonson <http://www.pallarn.se>*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller ..... .....?? cant find any information. Can I see the
>>> application? ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *6.  Denise Brunsdon <http://www.brunsdon.com>*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....why does this name link to an ad site? I know
>>> Denise Brunsdon so APPROVE, but who in the heck created this link?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *7.  Walusungu Gondwe*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *8.  Tobias Mahler*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger .....need to see the application**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *9.  John Border*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application**
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....need more information****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *10.  Sarah Clayton*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....need more information****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *11.  Anton Permadi <http://www.permadi.org>*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPOVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *12.  Olga Korotvova*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *13.  Anthony Nweke*****
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.****
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application****
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....****
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ---- END ----****
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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