Re: [soac-mapo] Revised draft Charter Terms of Reference for your review

[Jon Nevett <jon@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Let's go with the current draft that includes Stephane's deletion and Avri's 
addition and move on to the substance.  Thanks.  Jon


On Aug 26, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Avri Doria wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not to belabor this more than I already have.
> 
> One reason I did not include the idea of
> 
> "The report could review what, if anything, remains to be done
> to fulfill the defined WG tasks or implement its recommendations."
> 
> Was that, discussing what remained to be discussed and how to phrase it would 
> probably take time away from completing the substantive report.  That is why 
> I had thought this would be something we did after we submitted the report, 
> and perhaps even after we heard what came out of the Board retreat.
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> On 26 Aug 2010, at 07:11, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> A suggestion.
>> 
>> I am the culprit who initially suggested to insert the term
>> "preliminary". Because the initial wording seemed to set too rigid a
>> timeframe that could be hard to meet. But it is true that the word now
>> presupposes on the contrary that the timeline will slip and reduces
>> the pressure upon us, which is bad. So OK to delete it.
>> 
>> In general, we all know that this issue must be resolved
>> satisfactorily by the community in a short timeframe, if we do not
>> want this to block the new gTLD program. In many ways, the pressure of
>> time is positive and probably already contributed to the good
>> cooperative spirit of the fist conference call.
>> 
>> At the same time, it is a key policy issue that must be solved in a
>> way that will be sustainable in the long term; otherwise, we'll burden
>> the new TLD program with the potential for many contentious situations
>> during it implementation. So urgency should not mean haste.
>> 
>> September 13 therefore is an important milestone. I am convinced we
>> can find by this deadline an agreement on the general approach,
>> objectives and principles for a solution.
>> 
>> But it is a very, very, short deadline. And while it is a good
>> pressure, Avri is right to suggest inserting something relating to
>> what may happen next.
>> 
>> Could we find a middle ground to include Avri's mention of "what
>> remains to be done", but IN the report, instead of after September 13,
>> as initially proposed in Avri's wording ? This could read :
>> 
>> "The Rec6 CWG should deliver a report with comments from the GNSO,
>> ALAC, and GAC not later than 13 September 2010 to meet the 11-day
>> advance publication that the Board requests for its retreat on new
>> gTLDs. The report could review what, if anything, remains to be done
>> to fulfill the defined WG tasks or implement its recommendations."
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Bertrand
>> 
>> On Thursday, August 26, 2010, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Stephane.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: Gomes, Chuck
>>> Cc: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>; soac-mapo <soac-mapo@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thu Aug 26 04:45:34 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [soac-mapo] Revised draft Charter Terms of Reference for your 
>>> review
>>> 
>>> No, I do not support Avri's change. Once again, I think one of the major 
>>> problems facing the ICANN community at present is our tendency to embark on 
>>> any task with the tacit assumption that timelines do not need to be adhered 
>>> to.
>>> 
>>> However, I recognize that there seems to be overall support for the ToR as 
>>> it stands now, i.e. with the edits suggested by myself and Avri's 
>>> suggestion following on from that.
>>> 
>>> In the interest of getting on with the actual work, which several people 
>>> have suggested we need to do and I wholeheartedly agree on, I think it 
>>> would be wrong of me to continue to labour this point and not to compromise.
>>> 
>>> Therefore I suggest we consider this ToR our final version and get on with 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> Le 26 août 2010 à 07:27, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Stephane,
>>>> 
>>>> Are you opposed to including Avri's added language to your deletion of 
>>>> "preliminary"?  If not, can you suggest an alternative that would address 
>>>> her concerns?
>>>> 
>>>> Others should feel to respond to these questions as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-soac-mapo@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-soac-mapo@xxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Avri Doria
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:18 PM
>>>>> To: soac-mapo
>>>>> Subject: Re: [soac-mapo] Revised draft Charter Terms of Reference for
>>>>> your review
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think several people as well as ALAC, have approved the ToR that
>>>>> includes both the deletion suggested by Stéphane and the addition I
>>>>> suggested.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I said I think it would be a mistake to approve a ToR that does not
>>>>> include a statement on what happens after the report is submitted.  If
>>>>> Stéphane and others want to insist that the report that comes out
>>>>> September 13 means the group is done, then this should be made explicit
>>>>> and not left for people to guess about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, I understood that we had 3 co-chairs.  Are you all consulting on
>>>>> making the calls on consensus or has that duty been delegated to Chuck
>>>>> alone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> a.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2010, at 22:12, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This issue appears to be the only one at the moment for which there
>>>>> are strong different points of view.  In my view of the list
>>>>> discussion, there seems to be quite a bit of support for removing the
>>>>> word 'preliminary'.  Avri suggested a slightly different approach than
>>>>> Stephane but I don't think anyone else has commented in support of
>>>>> that.  If anyone is supportive of Avri's approach or some new
>>>>> compromise, please speak up.  This could be the last issue we need to
>>>>> resolve in the draft ToR.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is anyone aware of any other ToR issues to resolve?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Considering the short time frame, it would be really helpful if we
>>>>> could move on from our ToR discussion to actually fulfilling the tasks
>>>>> of the ToR.  I would like to propose that we start working on the ToR
>>>>> tasks in our call on Monday.  Does anyone object to that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-soac-mapo@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-soac-mapo@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Caroline Greer
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:18 AM
>>>>>>> To: soac-mapo@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> ____________________
>> Bertrand de La Chapelle
>> Délégué Spécial pour la Société de l'Information / Special Envoy for
>> the Information Society
>> Ministère des Affaires Etrangères et Européennes/ French Ministry of
>> Foreign and European Affairs
>> Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32
>> 
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