Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Comments On Draft text

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Avri

On 2 Aug 2011, at 21:00, Avri Doria wrote:

> The idea was that since we were _not_ asking for the IPv6 to be lifted,
> but were recognizing it availability as a barrier for most probably JAS 
> applicants,
> 
> Then there was a problem that needed to be solved if we wanted to help those 
> applicants.
> 
> I think this was in scope, but of course the co-chairs are the arbiters of 
> that..
> 
> After first writing this, I was informed that the RIRs, would do nothing to 
> provide v6 access, because they did not see that as their job.

It's not their role. If I, as a LIR, have an issue with connectivity, I can't 
expect RIPE to sort it out for me.

> I mistakenly thought they might help, since this was a difficult 
> techno-political condition being applied on their behalf.

If an entity wants an IP assignment they have two options:
1 - get an assignment from a LIR
2 - become a LIR 

Becoming a LIR might make sense for a registry operator at some point (a lot, 
though not all, registry operators in both cctld space and gTLD space are 
LIRs), but it's far easier to go to an existing LIR and get an assignment from 
them. In a lot of cases a data centre would be a LIR, or the company they are 
dealing with for their IPv4 connection would be .. 


> So yes, that needs to be fixed.  I will remove any mention of RIRs from the 
> text.
> 
> On the other hand, JAS qualified applicants in regions where there is not 
> IPv6 access, still will need such access.
> 
> So I talked to a few members of the ISP Constituency in the GNSO and gathered 
> that there might be a willingness for some ISPS who had IPv6 to help - by 
> providing tunnels etc.


There are several cost-effective ways of getting tunnels at the moment. I've 
got an IPv6 tunnel to my home DSL - the IPv6 assignment is stable and assigned 
to me and as long as my IPv4 connection works it does too. And I don't pay for 
it. I was doing it all using a WRT54G with open source firmware.. I upgraded to 
a very nice FritzBox which does it all for me seamlessly .. 
> 
> But, even if this is possible, this is not a capability that these JAS 
> qualified applicants would have at application time. 

If they can get an IPv4 connection they should be able to get an IPv6 tunnel. 

> 
> So here I was asking that:
> 
> a.  there be a statement of willingness from ISPs (tunnel brokers as well 
> perhaps) that they would provide such service as an in kind service to JAS 
> qualified applicants.

They don't need to - both SIXXS and Hurricane Electric already offer free 
tunnel services. Of course if you want SLAs etc., you'd probably have to pay, 
or talk to entities like PCH

> b. that ICANN state that it was willing to accept such a promise of 
> assistance as a sufficient answer to the technical question asking about IPv6 
> capability.

>From my reading of the IPv6 requirement it's not that demanding. It's 
>basically asking that the registry and its services be reachable over IPv6. 
>Some of the services don't even need to be reachable unless there is a written 
>request from a registrar to the registry asking for them to provide the 
>services via v6. It doesn't specify or set any special requirements on v6.

Regards

Michele


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