Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Government eligibility for JAS support

[Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>]

The problem is "fungability" of public funding... It is an age old problem
in international aid programs to eradicate poverty... if a rich donor funds
public education in a poor country, that government can shift its education
budget to say defense...

I may have a minority view, but I do not see much economic rationale to
ICANN giving assistance to public gTLD applicants on the basis of
fungability...However, there may be a political rationale... we can buy
multi-stakeholder peace and let a public agency make the case that they are
needy... ? There are so many governments that stop funding public agencies
that were once high priorities... public agencies that have ran their
useful life are notariously bad at closing down... we are likely to see
applications from such public bodies...

Alain

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Alan Greenberg
<alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>
> Without going back and looking at the report or the GAC/ALAC statement, my
> recollection is that we (the JAS group in its report) nixed all levels of
> government and I believe parastatal organizations (ones that are
> technically private but owned/controlled by government) and the GAC/ALAC
> statement said all should be allowed other that national governments (and
> by extrapolation, national government parastatals).
>
> So, local, regional, state, province gov'ts would be allowed.
>
> Clearly making the claim of poverty might be harder for some of these, but
> that is their problem (in my view).
>
> Note that although I do have a personal view on this, I was not advocating
> anything, just saying that it was a loose end that we said we would tie up,
> so we should.
>
> Alan
>
>
> At 21/11/2011 10:57 AM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
>
>> Alan
>>
>> So they're differentiating between local government and national
>> government? Or did I miss something?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michele
>>
>>
>> On 21 Nov 2011, at 15:50, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > The issue of government eligibility was left open in our report.
>> >
>> > The GAC had suggested that governments be eligible with the exception
>> of national governments.
>> >
>> > I do not recall that there was any substantive objection to this from
>> within the JAS group (perhaps I was deaf to such objections though).
>> >
>> > I suggest one of two objections:
>> >
>> > - If there was/is substantive objection to the GAC proposal, that those
>> who object document their problem with it, and we take a consensus call to
>> see if there is general support for or against the GAC proposal.
>> >
>> > - If there is no substantive objection, then I suggest that the JAS
>> group issue an addendum to the report saying that we agree with the GAC
>> proposal.
>> >
>> > There are likely other options as well, but regardless, we need to
>> close this gap, and do it quickly.
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>>
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