RE: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff?

["Metalitz, Steven" <met@xxxxxxx>]

Thanks for this helpful response, Dave.  I agree this work is very
important and I have no reason at all to question your opinion that it
has enormous merit. I am just having a hard time squaring your
description with the CEO's statement that " ICANN staff members have
developed and recommended a solution" and that this solution "is being
considered for adoption as a standard" by the IETF.  I hope you can help
me gain a better understanding of the apparent discrepancy.   

I looked briefly at the IETF mailing list for which you provided a link.
My sense is that this IETF group is discussing a charter for a working
group that would try to develop something I would describe as a
"solution."  The draft charter I reviewed proposed the following
milestones (and again it seems that the charter has not yet been
approved, and I don't know the procedure for that):  

[start + 2 months] Draft WEIRDS requirements to IESG for
    publication as Informational RFC.

    [start + 6 months] Draft WEIRDS base specification to IESG for
    publication on the standards track

This suggests to me that this process is many months away from producing
a solution that would be considered for adoption as an IETF standard.  I
am sure I may be mistaken, but if so I hope someone will correct me.  

I also see on that mailing list some references to a document
draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-00.txt which I take it might be the
"solution" that "ICANN staff members have recommended."  What is the
status of that document within the IETF process? 

While I am sure I might have missed it, was that document circulated to
the IRDWG?  If not, would it be possible to do so?  

Thanks for your patience as I try to find my way through these
questions.  

Steve Metalitz  

   



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Piscitello [mailto:dave.piscitello@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Metalitz, Steven
Cc: ssac-gnso-irdwg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff? 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi Steve,

The solution Rod Beckstrom mentions is a technical body of work in
progress. Staff is looking at ways to build capacity in the protocol to
handle IRD. Many external parties are working on various aspects of this
solution, including SSAC, interested registry and registrar technical
staff (participating in IETF discussions), and other stakeholders from
private companies (Google, eBay/PayPal and others participating in the
IETF community discussions).

The technical body of work encompasses or takes into consideration:

1- evolution of Whois in the RIR community towards a RESTful
architecture, led by ARIN
2- experimentation by ICANN staff, members of the RIR community to
further study ARIN's approach
3- presentation of (1) and (2) to the IETF for consideration
4- the recommendations from SSAC regarding a Whois Taxonomy (SAC051)
5- the report from the IRD WG
6- the Whois review team recommendations

No formal written document is yet available, primarily because several
components are still being studied or refined. While there are many
people involved in two or more of the above activities, they are running
in parallel but are not synchronized.

The reading list for anyone who is interested in participating or
learning more includes:

- - RESTful WHOIS for American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN),
<https://www.arin.net/resources/whoisrws/index.html>

- - A RESTful Web Service for Internet Names and Address Directory
Services, USENIX login 2011;
<http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/2011-10/openpdfs/Newton.pdf>

- - IETF WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds>

- - SSAC 051: Domain Name WHOIS Terminology and Structure
<www.icann.org/en/committees/security/sac051.pdf>

- - IRD WG report: 
<http://gnso.icann.org/issues/ird/ird-draft-final-report-03oct11-en.pdf>

- - WHOIS Policy Review Team Draft Report:
<http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-05dec11-en.htm>


I'm happy to chat about this work because I think it has enormous merit.

On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:

> I note with interest the following from Rod Beckstrom's letter to NTIA
Administrator Strickling on January 11, 2012
(http://www.icann.org/en/correspondence/beckstrom-to-strickling-11jan12-
en.pdf) :
>  
> "ICANN staff members have developed and recommended a solution for
internationalized registration data (to ensure clarity of Whois
information using characters other than English).  That proposal is
being considered for adoption as a standard by the Internet Engineering
Task Force."   
>  
> Could the proposal referred to be circulated with the IRD Working 
> Group?  Thanks .
>  
> Steve Metalitz
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin)
Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPHvO4AAoJEGwWiPOSXEFNvuoIAJLwlyfs63D1oPksTb6qJfQa
iEdvnJNBPlWUEZkrZ3bEfad44chZfoKdDuynzJWIdp/ytQWFJ4Fq/cvxrVtjMH+D
Rq3xODD5lkw1DU5EqLZVf7dNbv3CTuuboRg0S0KhokQ/hGo2iH02zmnLH4o47SDn
9NH2+Anx8XtAmWhCSElY4fJ6Ej/2ZLb4dMx9mjeT7WQ4s1sWi+f8TUp0OXIpN5HN
FXjcegllTre8AkKvl0OxR1jjaac7Km6GWwn3E1ItRHslfdk/ZouK278qQZaEmuy3
pHSTVO2DN+zcXP1Q4I48K+B0nsCZm99iC3cmHlRRFoL/QvCY8nySmQgGHr2hoRE=
=C1Bu
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----