RE: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff?

["Metalitz, Steven" <met@xxxxxxx>]

Further to this topic, I note that the ICANN staff posted on Saturday a 
"Roadmap to a New Domain Name Registration Data Access Protocol (WHOIS)"  and 
is asking for public comment on it.   See 
http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-18feb12-en.htm.  

Steve Metalitz  

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From: Metalitz, Steven 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:53 PM
To: 'Dave Piscitello'
Cc: ssac-gnso-irdwg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff? 

Thanks for this helpful response, Dave.  I agree this work is very important 
and I have no reason at all to question your opinion that it has enormous 
merit. I am just having a hard time squaring your description with the CEO's 
statement that " ICANN staff members have developed and recommended a solution" 
and that this solution "is being considered for adoption as a standard" by the 
IETF.  I hope you can help me gain a better understanding of the apparent 
discrepancy.   

I looked briefly at the IETF mailing list for which you provided a link.  My 
sense is that this IETF group is discussing a charter for a working group that 
would try to develop something I would describe as a "solution."  The draft 
charter I reviewed proposed the following milestones (and again it seems that 
the charter has not yet been approved, and I don't know the procedure for 
that):  

[start + 2 months] Draft WEIRDS requirements to IESG for
    publication as Informational RFC.

    [start + 6 months] Draft WEIRDS base specification to IESG for
    publication on the standards track

This suggests to me that this process is many months away from producing a 
solution that would be considered for adoption as an IETF standard.  I am sure 
I may be mistaken, but if so I hope someone will correct me.  

I also see on that mailing list some references to a document 
draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-00.txt which I take it might be the 
"solution" that "ICANN staff members have recommended."  What is the status of 
that document within the IETF process? 

While I am sure I might have missed it, was that document circulated to the 
IRDWG?  If not, would it be possible to do so?  

Thanks for your patience as I try to find my way through these questions.  

Steve Metalitz  

   



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Piscitello [mailto:dave.piscitello@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Metalitz, Steven
Cc: ssac-gnso-irdwg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff? 

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Hi Steve,

The solution Rod Beckstrom mentions is a technical body of work in progress. 
Staff is looking at ways to build capacity in the protocol to handle IRD. Many 
external parties are working on various aspects of this solution, including 
SSAC, interested registry and registrar technical staff (participating in IETF 
discussions), and other stakeholders from private companies (Google, 
eBay/PayPal and others participating in the IETF community discussions).

The technical body of work encompasses or takes into consideration:

1- evolution of Whois in the RIR community towards a RESTful architecture, led 
by ARIN
2- experimentation by ICANN staff, members of the RIR community to further 
study ARIN's approach
3- presentation of (1) and (2) to the IETF for consideration
4- the recommendations from SSAC regarding a Whois Taxonomy (SAC051)
5- the report from the IRD WG
6- the Whois review team recommendations

No formal written document is yet available, primarily because several 
components are still being studied or refined. While there are many people 
involved in two or more of the above activities, they are running in parallel 
but are not synchronized.

The reading list for anyone who is interested in participating or learning more 
includes:

- - RESTful WHOIS for American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN), 
<https://www.arin.net/resources/whoisrws/index.html>

- - A RESTful Web Service for Internet Names and Address Directory Services, 
USENIX login 2011; 
<http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/2011-10/openpdfs/Newton.pdf>

- - IETF WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service 
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds>

- - SSAC 051: Domain Name WHOIS Terminology and Structure 
<www.icann.org/en/committees/security/sac051.pdf>

- - IRD WG report: 
<http://gnso.icann.org/issues/ird/ird-draft-final-report-03oct11-en.pdf>

- - WHOIS Policy Review Team Draft Report:
<http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-05dec11-en.htm>


I'm happy to chat about this work because I think it has enormous merit.

On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:

> I note with interest the following from Rod Beckstrom's letter to NTIA 
> Administrator Strickling on January 11, 2012 
> (http://www.icann.org/en/correspondence/beckstrom-to-strickling-11jan12-en.pdf)
>  :
>  
> "ICANN staff members have developed and recommended a solution for 
> internationalized registration data (to ensure clarity of Whois information 
> using characters other than English).  That proposal is being considered for 
> adoption as a standard by the Internet Engineering Task Force."   
>  
> Could the proposal referred to be circulated with the IRD Working 
> Group?  Thanks .
>  
> Steve Metalitz
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