Re: [alac] ICANNtriva on pre-registration

[Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have two complaints here, substantive and procedural (and neither 
with the members of ALAC, but with ICANN the non-transparent organization).

The substantive complaint, as I have said, may well be a difference 
of opinion.  I believe we should have a right to participate in 
person in the ICANN meeting without signing in at the door under a 
physical identity.  Others on the ALAC have given possible reasons 
why ICANN might not want to permit that.

Procedurally, even if ICANN the organization disagrees with me, I 
would like a formal statement of the actual sign-in requirements, so 
we can have the substantive debate.  So far, all we have is past 
practice of not permitting anonymity, with no one official 
articulating a rule justifying the practice.  Much of this comes back 
to the old transparency problem -- if ICANN would tell us where rules 
came from, we'd be able to understand them better.

I've sent a separate message to the list asking from whom we can get 
a formal statement on ID requirements or anonymity for meeting participation.

--Wendy

At 09:10 AM 6/20/2006, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> Sorry, I am catching up after forced absence from my email.
>
> A couple of comments on this one.
>
> First, I agree with Vittorio, a meeting of an American corporation 
> in an Arab country is not exactly the place where I would allow 
> people in without proper procedures. Quite the contrary, I am amazed 
> by the average sloppyness in the checking in the average ICANN 
> meeting, given the circumstances. I am now in Vienna, looking at the 
> security in place in occasion of President Bush's visit 
> (incidentally, who will pay for the security, the loss of business 
> of the commerce in the forbidden zone, etc.?), and see things that 
> Vienna has never seen before since the ending of the military 
> occupation after WWII.
>
> Besides, I find it pretty common to be asked an ID going to certain 
> places. I remember years ago when I went to the US Senate I had to 
> leave the passport at the entrance to get it back when going out. 
> And I don't remember anybody complaining about the loss of privacy.
> Personally, I am very very much more concerned about the people who 
> would like to participate and cannot because of different reasons, 
> mostly economical I would guess, rather than somebody who wants to 
> enter an ICANN meeting without an ID.
>
> Last but not least, I believe that the security measures are defined 
> in collaboration with the hosting organization, and therefore will 
> follow the local practices and regulations. Although ICANN has a 
> say, the matter is agreed in the preparatory meetings. Just for the 
> sake of curiosity, we could ask Giovanni Seppia, who was in the 
> organizing committee for the Rome meeting.
>
> Regards,
> Roberto GAETANO
> ALAC
> ICANN BoD Liaison
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: Vittorio Bertola <vb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > CC: jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, alac@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [alac] ICANNtriva on pre-registration
> > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:02:27 +0200
> >
> > Wendy Seltzer ha scritto:
> > > The meeting hosts wouldn't let anyone in without a badge, and 
> > > wouldn't let anyone get a badge without providing a name.  The 
> > > person I was talking to didn't try to claim someone else's name, 
> > > he just didn't think he should be compelled to provide his own either.
> >
> > Perhaps we could ask for people to be identified at the 
> > registration desk but be able to write whatever they like on the 
> > badge? I think this could be a reasonable compromise, and it would 
> > not impact on the existing infrastructure and procedures (in fact, 
> > you could already do it on the present preregistration form, which 
> > has a space for "name to appear on badge").
> >
> > I am not happy with forcing people to declare their true name at 
> > registration, but I am also not sure that letting totally 
> > unidentified people wander through the meeting is a good idea. 
> > Perhaps this could be allowed for public events such as the public 
> > forum, but still I do see security (and appearance-of-security :( ) 
> > concerns, especially in the meeting of an American organization in 
> > an Arab country.
> > --
> > vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<-----
> > http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...
>
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Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx
Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School
Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html
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