Re: [alac] ICANNtriva on pre-registration
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- Subject: Re: [alac] ICANNtriva on pre-registration
- From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:22:14 -0400
I have two complaints here, substantive and procedural (and neither
with the members of ALAC, but with ICANN the non-transparent organization).
The substantive complaint, as I have said, may well be a difference
of opinion. I believe we should have a right to participate in
person in the ICANN meeting without signing in at the door under a
physical identity. Others on the ALAC have given possible reasons
why ICANN might not want to permit that.
Procedurally, even if ICANN the organization disagrees with me, I
would like a formal statement of the actual sign-in requirements, so
we can have the substantive debate. So far, all we have is past
practice of not permitting anonymity, with no one official
articulating a rule justifying the practice. Much of this comes back
to the old transparency problem -- if ICANN would tell us where rules
came from, we'd be able to understand them better.
I've sent a separate message to the list asking from whom we can get
a formal statement on ID requirements or anonymity for meeting participation.
At 09:10 AM 6/20/2006, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
Sorry, I am catching up after forced absence from my email.
A couple of comments on this one.
First, I agree with Vittorio, a meeting of an American corporation
in an Arab country is not exactly the place where I would allow
people in without proper procedures. Quite the contrary, I am amazed
by the average sloppyness in the checking in the average ICANN
meeting, given the circumstances. I am now in Vienna, looking at the
security in place in occasion of President Bush's visit
(incidentally, who will pay for the security, the loss of business
of the commerce in the forbidden zone, etc.?), and see things that
Vienna has never seen before since the ending of the military
occupation after WWII.
Besides, I find it pretty common to be asked an ID going to certain
places. I remember years ago when I went to the US Senate I had to
leave the passport at the entrance to get it back when going out.
And I don't remember anybody complaining about the loss of privacy.
Personally, I am very very much more concerned about the people who
would like to participate and cannot because of different reasons,
mostly economical I would guess, rather than somebody who wants to
enter an ICANN meeting without an ID.
Last but not least, I believe that the security measures are defined
in collaboration with the hosting organization, and therefore will
follow the local practices and regulations. Although ICANN has a
say, the matter is agreed in the preparatory meetings. Just for the
sake of curiosity, we could ask Giovanni Seppia, who was in the
organizing committee for the Rome meeting.
ICANN BoD Liaison
From: Vittorio Bertola <vb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, alac@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [alac] ICANNtriva on pre-registration
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:02:27 +0200
Wendy Seltzer ha scritto:
The meeting hosts wouldn't let anyone in without a badge, and
wouldn't let anyone get a badge without providing a name. The
person I was talking to didn't try to claim someone else's name,
he just didn't think he should be compelled to provide his own either.
Perhaps we could ask for people to be identified at the
registration desk but be able to write whatever they like on the
badge? I think this could be a reasonable compromise, and it would
not impact on the existing infrastructure and procedures (in fact,
you could already do it on the present preregistration form, which
has a space for "name to appear on badge").
I am not happy with forcing people to declare their true name at
registration, but I am also not sure that letting totally
unidentified people wander through the meeting is a good idea.
Perhaps this could be allowed for public events such as the public
forum, but still I do see security (and appearance-of-security :( )
concerns, especially in the meeting of an American organization in
an Arab country.
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Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx
Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School
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