Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)

["J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>]

oops, that should read "whether."  hahahaha
 
j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx




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 From: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Cc: "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
 


Bill:

I cannot say weather these are real concerns are not.  We have a short timeline 
here and I do not have the time to track down my folks, educate them on the 
debate and put together a Yahoo! position.  Given that we cannot come to 
consensus here, I suggest we delete.  If PayPal feels confident in these 
statements, I think you all should file a separate public comment.  

J. Scott
 
j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx




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 From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> 
Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" 
<bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
 


I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text 
associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security 
professional information and the associated operation of an information and 
access control system. These are very real concerns. 


On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
 wrote:

Sorry for that.  Jetlag.
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>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
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> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> 
>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>J. Scott, 
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>Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version.
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>Thanks,
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>Bill
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>On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>
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>Dear All:
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>>I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane.  I 
>>am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a 
>>political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).
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>>As for Bill's suggestion about "entities".  I have attempted to suggest 
>>language that I think assuage my concerns.  Bill?
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>>J. Scott
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>>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
>>408.349.1385 - jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx
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>>________________________________
>> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: "<stephvg@xxxxxxxxx>" <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>; "Smith, Bill" 
>><bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
>>"bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>>I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition 
>>but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to 
>>look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and 
>>difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially 
>>one that is by its nature sensitive. 
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>>(see my comments within J Scott's comments)
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>>Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated 
>>and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a 
>>secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security 
>>professionals will be no small task.
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>>On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx>
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>>I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the 
>>possibility of extending this work to the cc space. 
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>>>The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.
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>>>Thanks,
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>>>
>>>Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur
>>>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
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>>>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053
>>>Skype: SVANGELDER
>>>www.StephaneVanGelder.com
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>>>Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>
>>>Bill and team:
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>>>>I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions.  I have 
>>>>attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>J. Scott
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>>>>j. scott evans -  head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 
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>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: "stephvg@xxxxxxxxx" <stephvg@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx list" 
>>>><bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working 
>>>>Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
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>>>>+1 
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>>>>Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to 
>>>>replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that 
>>>>my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction 
>>>>between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the 
>>>>web.
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>>>>I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to 
>>>>include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no 
>>>>foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. 
>>>>Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they 
>>>>become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the 
>>>>Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer 
>>>>loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.
>>>>
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>>>>I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data 
>>>>aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent 
>>>>on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks 
>>>>given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for 
>>>>crimes they uncover.
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>>>>I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.
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>>>>On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>>>>Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted 
>>>>document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests 
>>>>as defined by our charter. 
>>>>>
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>>>>>If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's 
>>>>>work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact 
>>>>>that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing 
>>>>>gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet 
>>>>>users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the 
>>>>>adoption of the same, single-format, model.
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>>>>>I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this 
>>>>>point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and 
>>>>>ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more 
>>>>>effective and more uniform registration data database.
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>>>>>Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot 
>>>>>on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur
>>>>>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
>>>>>
>>>>>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89
>>>>>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053
>>>>>Skype: SVANGELDER
>>>>>www.StephaneVanGelder.com
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>>>>>Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us 
>>>>>on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
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>>>>>LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/
>>>>>
>>>>>Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit 
>>>>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation 
>>>>>gTLD Directory Services. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here.  
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help 
>>>>>>from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug 
>>>>>>with edits or questions.   
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Steve DelBiancoVice chair for policy coordination
>>>>>>Business Constituency 
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>>>>>>><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc>
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>>>><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc>
>>><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc>
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