Re: RES: [gnso-ccwg-dt] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft Principles -- "wherever possible"?
<html><head><base href="x-msg://280/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">hm…<div><br></div><div>Marika just circulated this "differences between the old PDP and the new PDP" document and the section called "Development and approval of the charter for the PDP" struck me as relevant to this thread. Look to the bottom of page 5 and most of page 6 for it.</div><div><br></div><div>the part that i think is especially relevant is the "Approval of <b><u>the</u></b> Charter" section which reads;</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>The same voting thresholds that apply to the initiation of the PDP also apply to the approval of <b><u>the</u></b> proposed Charter.</div><div><br></div></blockquote>I think if we're suggesting the possibility of multiple charters for a PDP (especially if the reason for doing that is to sidestep a no-consensus deadlock between the Mikey and Jaimie factions of the Council) we're running counter to a fundamental assumption that underlies the PDP process. <div><br></div><div>mikey</div><div><br></div><div></div></body></html> Attachment:
PDP Comparison - 14 December 2011.pdf <html><head><base href="x-msg://280/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 18, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Let me weigh in on this discussion, especially because I likely will not be able to participate in this weeks call.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">First of all, I am comfortable with whatever a majority of the DT decides, with ‘[whenever possible]’ or without it but if we leave it I definitely recommend that the brackets be used. Because the Council will have to deliberate on our recommendations further, there will be additional opportunity to deal with this with more minds involved, so it is not essential that we reach final resolution now.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">At the same time, I lean toward the goal of having one charter. If there are elements in the charter where the various SOs and ACs cannot agree, those can be dealt with accordingly. Here are some possible ways that could happen: 1) let each SO and/or AC make independent recommendations on those elements, separate from the CWG work; 2) ask each SO and/or AC to make independent recommendations to the CWG with the expectation that the CWG would incorporate them into the CWG final report; 3) recognize that there may not be community consensus on those elements. I am sure there are many other ways that such a situation could be resolved.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 4pt; "><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:owner-gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mike O'Connor<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:03 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Julie Hedlund';<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: RES: [gnso-ccwg-dt] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft Principles -- "wherever possible"?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">ah… <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">i think i understand that situation. let's say that the Mikey Faction and the Jaime Faction disagree over an aspect of the charter -- and, because we're evenly matched we bring the discussion to a no-consensus destination (a perfectly valid outcome in consensus decision making btw). <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">i offer these situations;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-- we're deadlocked over whether the work should be done at all<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-- we're deadlocked over a major component of the work<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-- we're deadlocked over a minor component<o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">i think our options could include:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-- not forming the CC working group at all<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-- forming a CC working group that excludes the faction that does not agree <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-- forming two CC working groups with different charters<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-- forming a CC working group with one or more *minor* charter issues that have to be resolved by the working group<o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">but in all cases i'd really like to see each working group only have one charter -- it's like service-providers having only one statement-of-work or arrangement letter. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">how does that work for you?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">thanks for that really thoughtful comment,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">mikey<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Dec 16, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Mike,</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I agree with your considerations in general and I also agree that they reflect the ideal requirements.</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Nevertheless, I keep my two concerns to open a window with the “whenever possible”:</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">1)</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">One is a practical consideration: leave room for reality since it already happened.</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I didn’t participate in the JAS CWG and I am not aware of the minutiae of the process and the reasons behind the need for two charters.</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I wonder (and this is not as a figure of speech, but a request for information) if the group would be formed or would continue its work if we already had a requirement for a unique consensus charter among all SOs and ACs involved. What would be better: a) the group follow its work with two charters and all the burdens and “quid pro quos” that happened; or b) halt until a common charter would be discussed. Would the time constraints be met? Has something of value emerged from the work as it has been done? Or the harms and frictions superseded the benefits?</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">2)</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The other is a matter of principle: can we impose a consensus over goals to something that can work as a mechanism to foster understanding when there is no consensus among the parties?</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Jaime B. Wagner</span></b><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="PT-BR"><a href="mailto:jaime@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">jaime@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</span></b></a></span><b><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: gray; "><br></span></b><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: gray; ">Cel: (51)8126-0916 Geral: (51)3233-3551 </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="PT-BR"><a href="http://www.powerself.com.br/"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">www.powerself.com.br</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(49, 132, 155); "> </span></b><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(49, 132, 155); ">NOVIDADES POWERSELF</span></b><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">*<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="PT-BR"><a href="http://www.powerself.com.br/site/lojavirtual.produtos.php?idprodtipo=3"; target="_blank" title="blocked::http://www.powerself.com.br/site/lojavirtual.produtos.php?idprodtipo=3"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none; ">Power Tasks: Gerenciador de tarefas para IPhone:</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><a href="http://www.powerself.com.br/PowerTasks"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">http://www.powerself.com.br/PowerTasks/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">De:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:owner-gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owner-gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:owner-gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx]"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">[mailto:owner-gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx]</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Em nome de<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mike O'Connor<br><b>Enviada em:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>quarta-feira, 14 de dezembro de 2011 11:33<br><b>Para:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Julie Hedlund<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gnso-ccwg-dt@xxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Assunto:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-ccwg-dt] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft Principles -- "wherever possible"?</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">thanks Julie,<span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">i really want to continue the discussion about 2.a,ii where we leave the [wherever possible] clause in. here's the sentence, just to make the thread easier to follow;<span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">All participating SOs/ACs should approve a single, joint Charter [whenever possible] that defines the rules and procedures for the CWG.<span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">as your customer, i want to understand the circumstances where a working group would be handed *more than one* charter to operate under. that seems really weird to me. i'd also really like to understand how we think the working group is going to operate if it has more than one charter. <span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>- alternating charters by week? <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>- half the working group works under one, the other half under the other? <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>- hand the unresolved dispute to the co-chairs and let *them* resolve it?<span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">as an old geezer, it's always fun to see new things but i have to admit that i've never heard of a plane going to two destinations at the same time -- or leaving the destination-dispute up to the pilots to decide after the plane has taken off. i think the airline's customers would get restive… <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">mikey<span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; "> </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Dec 13, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Julie Hedlund wrote:<span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><br><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">All,<br><br>Attached in Word and PDF are the revised Draft Principles based on the changes agreed to on today’s call. Note that the redline reflects new additions on the call. Redlining was removed where edits from the list and the meeting on 22 November have been accepted. This also is posted to the wiki at: </span><u><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; "><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsoccwgdraftteam/5.+Background+Documents"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span lang="EN-US">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsoccwgdraftteam/5.+Background+Documents</span></a></span></u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">. <br><br>Note: As discussed the rationale section is included, but it was agreed that it would not be included in the version sent to the Council. However, further edits to the rationale text are encouraged as these may be useful to provide during Council discussions.<br><br>Our next call is scheduled for<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Tuesday, 20 December at UTC/1200 PST/1500 EST/2000 London/2100 CET. </b>A reminder will be send prior to the call.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Julie<br><br>Attendees: Jonathan Robinson (Chair), Chuck Gomes, Alan Greenberg, Mikey O’Conner, Wendy Seltzer, Jaime Wagner; Staff: Julie Hedlund, Liz Gasster, and Nathalie Peregrine</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><Draft Principles for CWGs 13 Dec 2011.doc><Draft Principles for CWGs 13 Dec 2011.pdf><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; ">- - - - - - - - -</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; ">phone <span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>651-647-6109 </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; ">fax <span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>866-280-2356 </span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; ">web <span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size: 9pt; "><a href="http://www.haven2.com"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span lang="EN-US">http://www.haven2.com</span></a></span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; ">handle<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.)</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">- - - - - - - - -<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">phone <span class="apple-tab-span"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>651-647-6109 <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">fax <span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>866-280-2356 <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">web <span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.haven2.com"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.haven2.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">handle<span class="apple-tab-span"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">- - - - - - - - -</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">phone <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>651-647-6109 </div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">fax <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>866-280-2356 </div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">web <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="http://www.haven2.com";>http://www.haven2.com</a></div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">handle<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.)</div></div></span> </div> <br></div></div></body></html>
|