Re: [gnso-consensus-wg] from the "creative solutions" department part 2

[Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>]

Philip,

It is always possible to abstract two categories to the point where  
they appear to belong to the same category.  Easy to do with apples  
and pears, and even possible with apples and rocks.
The fundamental interests differ and hence the motivations for policy  
differ.
The starting point for the registrants and contracted parties  
involves  the rules and policy as they are demonstrated in contracts,  
agreements, prices and rules.
The starting point for the users are the effects on the network, how  
easy is it to use the network and can the network serve their various  
interests.  Users only care about contracts and agreements when  
someone forces them to be concerned.
Sure, most all of the registrants and contracted parties are users,  
though i bet some aren't.  And sure some small percentage of users are  
registrants and also care about contract and agreement minutia.
In general terms, I think the policy concerns of the Registrants and  
contracted parties grow from the specific (e.g. the contractual  
conditions and their effects) to the general, while I would argue that  
the policy interests of the users grow from the general/global (e.g.  
users should be able to work in the language of their choice) to the  
specific - but only when necessary.
So, you can abstract it to the point where - yes they care about the  
same thing: a stable and secure Internet - but the specific paths they  
follow to get to the conclusions are fundamentally diferent.  It may  
sometimes be hard to see because you are both a registrant  
representative and a user.
a.



On 7 Jul 2008, at 11:05, Philip Sheppard wrote:

> Avri,
> you are using the terminology user and registrant but do not explain  
> the generalised
> difference wrt GNSO policy.
> A registrant has a contract with a registrar and a user a contract  
> with an ISP. But so what?
> All registrants are users though not all users registrants. But so  
> what?
> Some registrant objectives will differ from other registrants.
> Some user objectives will differ from other users.
> But I do not see a "generalised" difference in principle?
>
> As a god faith registrant I want the Internet to be a safe place to  
> do business and
> communicate.
> As a good faith user I want the Internet to be a safe place to take  
> advantage of business
> offers and communicate.
>
> Where lies the real difference wrt GNSO consensus policy?
>
> Philip